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Utah goes for gold and silver currency.

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http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/wbnews/wbnews_20110413-1818a.mp3

Current European policy on biofuels is causing food shortages and the chopping down of rainforests. That's the view of a leading research organisation. We hear why and put the conclusions to a biofuel businessman and an environmental campaigner.

Plus, the arguments for and against South Africa being allowed to join the BRIC club. And shares in GE fall sharply after a bogus press release does the rounds on Wall Street.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/wbnews/wbnews_20110414-2230a.mp3
The president of the World Bank tells the BBC that food prices are now at dangerously high levels. Robert Zoellick says soaring prices are a contributory factor to the unrest that's spread across North Africa and Middle East.

Shares of companies doing better than expected in the current economic climate helped the Dow Jones recover the ground it lost after a disappointing set of unemployment numbers. Tom Porcelli from RBC Capital Markets watched the day's action.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/wbnews/wbnews_20110413-2230a.mp3
President Barack Obama has unveiled how he'd like the US $14tn deficit to be tackled. The debt represents a figure of almost $50,000 for every American. So, can he do it?

not if the rich keep getting their taxes cut
but re valuing the coins..[see previous post]
brings repaynment down to only 1.4 trillion

currently there is 800 billion in coin age in usa coin
clear the debt
and start again

how
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/wbnews/wbnews_20110411-2309a.mp3
The UK is set to reform its banking sector and separate investment banks from their retail counterparts.

[sepperate the fed from banker control
let the senet control the flow of coin
and monetise funds going to banks]

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/wbnews/wbnews_20110411-1804a.mp3
Shaking up the banks?
Preventing a future banking crisis. A UK government panel has proposed reforms to the banking sector,

but are they as ground-breaking as they seem?

[no]
they are playing at fixing the wrong problem
it isnt credit ..but debt..thats going to kill all of us

[isnt bankers getting their bonus NOW..a clue?]
did you watch keiser report
http://youtu.be/-6V9s2o0LNI
http://youtu.be/VL0VhySHjhk

more?
google..ghost-estates
[in china ireland spain usa]

look how japan went..at least their peons
were wealthy enough..to buy THEIR govt's bonds
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 16 April 2011 9:59:54 AM
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i must correct my math
[but in doing so..find a more reasonable answer]

1 fiat dollar equating one cent coin
might be a step too far..

but what if we added one zero..to coin values
instead of two..

ie 10 cents becomes one dollar..
20 becomes $2

[thats what i did i my last post]
when i said 1.4 trillion

had the math been right..[two zero's instead of one][in my math]
the debt would of course have been payable in 140 billion in coin

[not the 1.4 trillion..i now see as being more reasonable]

adding a 0..to face value of coin
brings the wealth..of the poor up
by a facter of 10

more than fair...
[considering the facter of 100
inflated..[deflated]..below true values

IE
stolen by money lender collusions

if you watched the keiser clips
you would have heard max..saying

84 TRILLION..STOLEN..off the global economy
stolen..for arround a cent on the dollar...

talk about diss-count-ting

[find the clip
hear the numbers he quoted]

no one can think this is fair

so fairity demands
govt mandate a coin..face value increase
by adding an 0 to the value of all coin..[in time minting new coinage]

starting with a five cent piece..
with a face value of 50 cents

anything below this
will be rounded up or down..
like we were told to do..[when they stole our copper]..[coin's]

there is room for thinking seriously

i keep posting hoping some clever person
can find some solution
and put it too their masters..in a better..more clear way

in a simular manner health seemingly..is reforming
[hopefully]

cointinues..
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 16 April 2011 12:33:05 PM
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treat this as a simulie
of how fixed thinking can change

a docter in uk...known for speaking out against the health system
was asked to become the president of some docters assosiation

its an interesting story
it mat relate to how we can bring
sustainable change ..to the fiat/paper econonomy

Social inequalities in health Professor Sir Michael Marmot is a well-known researcher into the social determinants of health.

At a special symposium in Australia he expressed the view that 'Doctors can tackle health inequalities by addressing the causes of the causes of ill health when they see their patients'.

Hunger in developed nations Hunger,or food insecurity as it's sometimes called, s not only an issue for the developing world, but also occurs in developed nations such as Australia or the US.

Professor Maureen Black from the University of Maryland has investigated this problem.

http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2011/04/hrt_20110411.mp3

i post the main link

as other important suff
is going on finally in health
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/feeds/health.xml
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2011/03/hrt_20110328.mp3
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2011/03/hrt_20110321.mp3

we can try to lead
a whore/s to water

but cant make them drink
nor of course..make a hoarse think

read the signs
http://dailyreckoning.com/awaiting-the-zero-hour-of-available-credit/
note
re the us debt clock

I watch expectantly as the national debt
again nears the debt limit, and Zero Hour
is just a few weeks away, a term I cleverly used
to indicate that available credit will be zero...Maxed out.
http://dailybail.com/home/how-large-will-the-us-national-debt-be-in-2015-try-12-millio.html
http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/home.asp

other stuff
http://www.cracked.com/article_19154_the-6-most-ridiculous-things-ever-taxed.html
http://dailybail.com/home/clarke-dawe-on-the-bp-oil-spill-the-first-thing-to-do-is-to.html
CORN PRICE UP 74%
in one year
http://revolutionarypolitics.com/?p=5320
http://dailybail.com/home/attention-congress-close-the-loophole-hedge-fund-manager-joh.html

some economic basics
http://zippittydodah.blogspot.com/2011/04/visibles-primer-on-basic-economics-and.html
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/4/15/offshore_banking_and_tax_havens_have
http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/04/banks-face-36-trillion-wall-of-debt-imf.html
7 Major Problems That Cause Devastating Financial Asphyiation
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=202295
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14581
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OgkjcW0g4&feature=email

final warning
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/04/scientists-warn-that-drugs-of-future.html
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14583
http://track-cell-phones.com/?p=55
http://track-cell-phones.com/?p=52
http://theintelhub.com/2011/04/14/goldman-sachs-credit-default-swaps-jump-as-levin-claims-bank-duped-clients/

http://track-cell-phones.com/?p=28
http://dailybail.com/home/senator-clair-mccaskill-to-goldman-sachs-executives-you-were.html
http://dailybail.com/home/steal-billions-like-dimon-blankfein-and-youre-doing-gods-wor.html
http://bushstole04.com/bushfascism/bush_nixon_jfk.htm
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14580
http://track-cell-phones.com/?p=33&preview=true
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14579
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 16 April 2011 12:54:03 PM
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Understanding the essential simplicity is important, one under god, before you are able to tackle anything more complicated.

>>i will ignore your deliberated over simplifications<<

For example, you miss the essential simplicity underlying hyperinflation. It occurs when ordinary folk lose their trust in the currency. And it doesn't matter, when you are buying a loaf of bread, whether you are buying it with metal, or with paper.

Think it through for a moment.

It is January 1st. You have a metal coin that is worth exactly the price of a loaf of bread - let's say, $2.

By July 1st, after hyperinflation has set in, a loaf of bread costs $2 million. How many loaves of bread will you get for your metal coin?

You already know the answer, but for some reason you don't understand it.

>>pre the hyper inflation...there was a coin
after the hyper inflation is the coin
the metalic values..of the coin have not changed<<

Perhaps an easier way to explain it would be to use the metal itself, rather than bread, as the medium of exchange.

It is January 1st. You have a metal coin that is worth exactly the value of its metal content - let's say, $2.

By July 1st, after hyperinflation has set in, the same amount of metal costs $2 million. What is the value of the coin in your hand?

Does that make it any clearer?

And this won't work, I'm afraid.

>>adding a 0..to face value of coin
brings the wealth..of the poor up
by a facter of 10<<

You still have the same problem. Changing the face value doesn't alter the relationship between money and goods, or money and wages. You still want your $2 to buy a loaf, whether it is in coins or in paper. Simply calling the same coin $20 won't suddenly allow you to buy ten loaves of bread.

Capeesh?
Posted by Pericles, Saturday, 16 April 2011 2:06:53 PM
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And just a gentle word of advice, one under god.

I strongly suggest that you get your education on the economy from less biased sources. I took a look at one of your links (I don't have time for more than one or two - and definitely nothing from YouTube) and found this:

"Visible's Primer on Basic Economics and Prosperity.

...it was all about Wall Street being able to run roughshod over all legal and moral strictures, with the assistance of the veiled operations of the bloodsucking Federal Reserve. You look at the names of the players from both of these Crime Syndicates and you’re almost surprised when you find a gentile name."

It doesn't really matter whether or not you agree that the current problems are caused by a Jewish crime syndicate, as the blog post suggests.

What does matter is that you know, right there, that there won't be any skerrick of factual information to be found there about economics, or how money works.

Just uninformed blah.

Knowledge is power, one under god. Ignorance, on the other hand, can render you powerless, and ultimately paranoid.

Take some control back, by trying to understand the simple basics. It is absolutely not necessary to imagine that Finance is all about secret cabals of evil international banksters. Whether Jewish or otherwise.
Posted by Pericles, Saturday, 16 April 2011 2:12:32 PM
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lets stop dealing with what if's

a 10 shilling note [hc coombs/wilson]
in fine condition..
is valued in my rennicks catolog at 4 dollars

now ten shillings = 56 ..point 7..
grams of silver[sterling silver]

say i got it in sixpences...
in the same catologue worth 75 cents each

20 times 75 cents=$15 dollar's

[my catologue is from 1989]
since then silver has trippled in price

the last 10 shilling note i bought[for a court case]
cost me 5 bucks..[in 202]

the coin isnt worth 5 bucks
its worth 15 bucks way back when

just as you havnt got the megs to spare for searches
neither do i..[but fel fee to update the prices]
im ten bucks ahead [in 1989 values alone]

so dont be saying a coins metal
deflates the same as banknotes

fact is the german deutchmark..[in silver]
has its values in silver

regardless of how deflated the deutchmark PAPER fell to

the twisted egsample you quoted
is an absurdity...metal holds an international value
silver dont care what coin its in...the fiat inflates

but coin
is allways holding its metalic value

your playing with face values
and your getting it wrong

on the face of it you seem so clever
but your not willing to admit your flogging a dead horse

think of metal as a commodity
just as food is a commodity

silver holds its value
not as much as gold
but more than copper and nickle

but even those are worth the price
of the commodity..of which it is made

the paper/plastic..your bank/notes are made of
have a cost price of 7 cents for the paper/plastic and the ink

as previously said,..a one cent piece has copper in it
to the value of 5 cents..[in todays metal value]
it was stolen by those who knew true value's

i hope your not advising people about finance
as you dont have a clue of the reality..past the base spin
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 16 April 2011 3:07:49 PM
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