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Utah goes for gold and silver currency.

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more from max
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktmWeynsd-Y

more spin
Currency Comptroller Takes Enforcement Action
Against Bank of America, Citibank, HSBC, JPMorgan Chase,
MetLife Bank, PNC, U.S. Bank, and Wells Fargo.
http://c7.beforeitsnews.com/story/564/977/Comptroller_Takes_Enforcement_Action_Against_Bank_of_America,_Citibank,_HSBC,_JPMorgan_Chase,_MetLife_Bank,_PNC,_U.S._Bank,_and_Wells_Fargo..html

"These comprehensive enforcement actions, coordinated among the federal banking regulators, require major reforms in mortgage servicing operations,"said acting Comptroller of the Currency John Walsh.
[pre pare for the other spin]
when they go back to business as usual

Commentary:
Trabnslation:"This is an election-year wrist-slap to wave in the media, but it won't restore a single stolen house to its rightful owner."

aint it funny
when govt fines collusion
those actually ripped off dont get a cent
and the 'fine'; costs less than they made by colluding their fraud

ie the poor never win
get used to it

Love in Disguise in a World of Lies.
http://lesvisible.blogspot.com/2011/04/love-in-disguise-in-world-of-lies.html

The thing about lying is that it’s habitual.
The problem with lying is that it alters your existence
to fit the lies and eventually you are surrounded by them.
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14603
http://lonestarwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/04/obama-resorting-to-fear-to-raise-debt.html

This is what happens in insulated realities like Wall Street; the military, religion, entertainment. In both Wall Street and the military, the end justifies the means. This is how you get a certain kind of amoral psychopath, a flesh pressing gladhander; much like a politician.
http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/04/35-statistics-that-show-average.html
The stock market is a lie to begin with and relies upon a mysterious sort of trust. You see that when the trust is challenged or fails at its purpose that the system has a crash.
http://dailybail.com/home/how-the-ny-fed-under-stephen-friedman-tim-geithner-pressured.html

Politicians are the indirect liars. They’re all about money too but they’re feathering the nests of their future; a nest they foul upon arrival.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/04/us-failed-state-because-it-wont.html

Rand Paul"Church Never Asked For More Than 10%
I Don't Know Why Government Should Get More!
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14590

http://dailybail.com/home/nyt-tim-geithner-convinced-ny-ag-andrew-cuomo-to-back-off-wa.html
to back off..from prosi-cute-ing

many more links
but im sick
and tired

http://whatreallyhappened.com/
do your own due diligence
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 17 April 2011 1:02:51 PM
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That's absolutely right, one under god.

>>hyper-inflation..is local..*[so far]
like in zimbawe recently..
it left the global/others in the main..not affected
the metal is worth..the inflated price
ONLY in zimbabwe*..the metal equaled the zimbawe/price increase
for the rest of the world
the metal in the coin stayed the same 'price
*as priced in..*NON zimbawe money<<

Which is exactly the point I made.

You are now in a position to take this knowledge, and apply it to the examples I gave you.

Concentrate on that loaf of bread - which is what everyone was forced to do in times of hyperinflation - and all will soon become clearer.

Once you have followed that line of thought, try to understand it in terms of your "add-a-zero" plans for our coinage.

Rather than think of it in an abstract sense, work through a concrete example. Today you have a twenty-cent coin, ten of which will buy you a loaf of bread. Tomorrow, you go to the same shop, only this time you expect the baker to give you a loaf in exchange for only one coin.

Would he sell you the loaf?

But equally importantly, think for a moment of the timing. You, in your role as Prime Minister, announce that on 30th June, at midnight, all 10c coins will be worth $1.

What would you do, when you heard this announcement? What would everyone else do? What would the Banks/shopkeepers/bus drivers do?

>>i realise its a seemingly huge step
but with the next intrest..[inflation cycle]
the metal value of the coin..will outstrip its face values<<

The only problem is, your proposal cannot on its own stop this from happening.
Posted by Pericles, Sunday, 17 April 2011 5:15:09 PM
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thanks for finally getting down to the nuts and bolts [practicalities]..of the revaluation

first it would need to be globally
and be sen as restoring that inflation has taken away

inflation really is theft
but its affect is worse on the poor

the change would happen overnight
to stop things like hoarding especially by shopkeepers
but as with all these things its better to let a few have more of a gain than others

[every sceme has its weakness..
but by far most small change is held by those
able to save only the pennies...[by this method
all the other hoarded copper cents will get flushed out]

they will then have a value of 10 cents
and twenty cents[which is only just a bit less than the copper they hold]..

but the thing is there is returned
a buffer between value of the coins metal..
and inflation constantly eating away at its face value

by twisted money market value's
based on the paper values
demeaning the coin face values away into nothing

i did fine out of the pennies and cents
[in copper values]..

and will also do fine out of the nickle values

just as im doing fine with the silver values
of the pre decimal coins i knew to hold on to
but its time the poor got their bailout
not just those in the know

i could advise that the mint link you posted
should be looked at again..by those thinking
a dollar is only worth a dollar..

like say the dollar proof coin valued at 50$
[because its made of silver]..

but on its face is...*one dollar[face value]

those not knowing the difference..will find the dollar..
and pass it on for a dollar..

[when any dealer would happily give them
30 dollars for that..*one dollar coin]

meaning a dollar should be at least equal to 50 dollars
making[changing] it to $10 is a fair resolution
to a masive colluded deception..

[done upon the holders of coin globally
for far too long]
Posted by one under god, Monday, 18 April 2011 8:46:16 AM
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todays crop

which will hurt more..for longer
austerity 'measures'[see link]

or re-valuating coin
to re-store..its true value[read previous posts]

from link
Anarchy erupts in Greece as austerity bites
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Anarchy_erupts_in_Greece_as_austerity_bites/13550/0/0/0/Y/M.html

As explosions boom, the town's loudspeakers blare: "Attention! Attention! We are under attack!"

Air-raid sirens wail through the streets,
mingling with the frantic clanging of church bells.

Clouds of tear gas waft between houses
as helmeted riot police move in to push back the 'rebels'.

This isn't a war zone, but a small town just outside Athens.
And while its fight is about a rubbish dump,..it captures Greece's angry mood..over its devastated economy.

diva-stated by who?

who got the value/pleasure
who got the debt/pain

i guess if we only read/listen/obey.. 'media'
we will never know..and the pain will simply go away?

it begins with a powerfull lobby
http://www.redress.cc/americas/ldavidson20110418

and threats to 'media'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/apr/17/gagging-order-journalists-jail

giving special powers
http://revolutionarypolitics.com/?p=5334

making special laws
http://lonestarwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/04/nullification-interview-with-zombie.html

numbers cant lie
but accounting can twist
or not mention certain numbers
control the media+con-troling the numbers
http://theintelhub.com/2011/04/17/inside-the-numbers/

extort money and taxes from the poor and ignorant
[the unrepresented swill..the great unwashed]
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14612

make deals[that really dont mean anything
when war dont need budgeting/nor accounting for]
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/04/geithner-certain-of-debt-limit-deal.html

keep making deals and pr spin
to cover other oppressions
they are only numbers
http://uruknet.com/?p=m76911&hd=&size=1&l=e
http://uruknet.com/?p=m76915&hd=&size=1&l=e
http://uruknet.com/?p=m76916&hd=&size=1&l=e
http://uruknet.com/?p=m76917&hd=&size=1&l=e
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24327
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24354

to hide the real crimes
http://dailybail.com/home/where-are-the-wall-street-prosecutions-gretchen-morgenson-ag.html
http://dailybail.com/home/tim-geithner-says-the-united-states-is-insolvent.html
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/interview-with-carlos-latuff-divided-palestinians-are-weak/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/16/bahrain-eyewitness-riot-police

the real rule is do as you chose
http://dailybail.com/home/busted-watch-tarp-republican-paul-ryan-begging-congress-to-v.html
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24357

only when there is nothing left to win
will we have nothing left to loose
Posted by one under god, Monday, 18 April 2011 10:59:44 AM
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http://lonestarwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/04/gold-fever-and-nuclear-meltdownwhat-do.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fbi-counterterror-official-al-qaeda-thrives-dictators-fall/story?id=13386531

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/04/13/real_estate-financials-us-foreclosure-reimbursed_8406573.html
Gov't orders 14 lenders
to reimburse homeowners

The Fed said it believed financial penalties
were "appropriate" and that it planned to levy fines in the future.

All three regulators said they would review the foreclosure audits.

Commentary:
Translation: Every time the bankers steal a $250,000 house
and get caught,

they have to pay a $25,000 fine,
but nobody goes to jail!

SO DONT BE SAYING GOVT CANT ADD A ZERO
it can steal it from the poor
its time they got a break

and still the collusions go on
http://torrentfreak.com/new-zealand-government-rushes-through-controversial-anti-piracy-law-110413/

New Zealand Government Rushes
Through Controversial Anti-Piracy Law

The New Zealand government has surprised the public and even some MPs by moving to rush through its controversial 3 strikes-style legislation today.

The new measures will allow for users to be disconnected from the Internet for up to 6 months, based on infringement claims from copyright holders
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110401/23300013745/drm-accused-sending-personal-info-to-help-with-licensing-shakedown.shtml
DRM. Is there nothing evil it can't do?

Between installing rootkits and propping open back doors,
DRM is a copyright enforcer's best friend.

Miguel Pimentel, a Boston-area architect, believes he's stumbled across its latest trick: extracting $150,000 from your wallet via a quick unannounced "phone home"..to the nearest copyright cop

[ps we allready got it in oz]
read the nbn legislation

the fox rules the henhouse
cause the hooker polititions..let em in
Posted by one under god, Monday, 18 April 2011 11:00:13 AM
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I think you may be wandering further away from the point, one under god. But no matter.

You would do well, though, to think through the numbers and equations that you spray around. Here's one from earlier:

>>currently there is 800 billion in coin age in usa coin<<

There are 307 million people in the US.

Simple mathematics tells you that this number would mean that every man, woman and child is carrying around $2,600 in loose change.

Does that sound feasible to you?

Or are you including the value of numismatists' collections? If so, it would be important to ensure that the amount you select is consistent. Is it "cumulative face value", "aggregate value of metal content" or "market value of individual pieces at auction".

Whichever is the case, I doubt very much whether the average Joe has more than, say, five bucks in change in his pocket. Your instant tenfold multiplication, with the best will in the world, is hardly going to alleviate poverty.

Could buy a round of drinks, I suppose.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 18 April 2011 2:44:00 PM
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