ok a quote
from one of the links hereunder
http://revolutionarypolitics.com/?p=5311

""Nothing is cheap in today’s investment world. Because of the trillions of currency units that governments all over the world have created – and are continuing to create – financial assets are grossly overpriced.

Stocks, bonds, property, commodities and cash are no bargains. Meanwhile, real wages are slipping rapidly among those who are working, and a large portion of the population is unemployed or underemployed.""

ok its probable trying to sell us on buying gold or silver[or food]
much of the bailout money has gone on buying commodities..or simple capitalisation and takeovers..not kick starting the economy

ANYHOW
the only people jesus personally attacked
was chasing the money changers from the temple

if we ever needed to know why
we need to know the truth

the truth is bankers took over the worlds feds
control the rate of inflation and deflation globally
control the exchange rates..control the issue and creation[printing] of notes..control the computers that hold your credit

they trade bonds..by tading only the virtual bonds/virtual shares
a sub branch of the imf..actually holds most of the shares

this enables instant sharetrading..[in the old days you used to have to send recieve an actual share..to complete a transaction]

bonds
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42533114/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/

shares have voting rights
the bonds you can buy now ..are non voting [laregly]
they dont even actually need limit the ammount of bonds traded ..because they now can do the same as when they traded gold on paper..if everyone kept the shares they think they now hold..all couldnt be deliverd...[its a huge bubble]
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42551209
most share trades never actually go therough[its all manipulated]
but dont believe me..check out the facts for yourself
http://dailybail.com/home/franklin-raines-our-assets-are-so-riskless-that-it-doesnt-ma.html
http://kevboyle.blogspot.com/2011/04/governor-boe-democratic-system-is-fraud.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7G0a_ZICvU
http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/rogues-gallery/soros-new-world-order-conference-bretton-woods-2-0/

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173#
http://dailybail.com/home/chris-whalen-largest-banks-hiding-1-trillion-in-bad-loans.html
http://dailybail.com/home/chris-whalen-with-dylan-ratigan-which-banks-how-much-surpris.html
http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/home.asp
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/SullivanVUSA.pdf
http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/zionism-undone-part-ii/
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/04/global-warming-anti-scientific.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/13/earlyshow/main20053445.shtml
http://dailybail.com/home/paul-ryan-dodges-question-on-whether-gop-budget-will-end-cor.html
http://dailybail.com/home/ron-paul-on-the-almost-govt-shutdown-the-right-agreed-to-mor.html
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/04/healthcare-scoring-for-dead-pool-hedge.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/04/oc-judge-accused-of-fixing-friends-traffic-tickets.html
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14568
http://americansjourney.blogspot.com/2011/04/bernie-sanders-robin-hood-in-reverse.html
http://www.youtube.com/user/NRKNOW#p/a/u/2/ylYClUdtxeo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnihfVw5MOc
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/04/move-over-aipac-american-israel-public-affairs-committee/
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-240925-flotilla-organizers-ask-europe-for-protection-from-israel.html?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/12/catholic-group-says-children-raped-by-priests-were-participants-not-victims/

That's not all by a long way, one under god.

>>the truth is bankers took over the worlds feds
control the rate of inflation and deflation globally
control the exchange rates..control the issue and creation[printing] of notes..control the computers that hold your credit<<

They also organize package tours to Canada to club baby seals to death. Here's an excerpt from their travel brochure:

"In general, a sealer will use a hakapik or club if at all possible. That's because with these weapons, it's much easier to aim a blow directly at the seal pup's head. One swing from a hakapik will usually kill a pup right away. By law, you have to keep clubbing the seal in the forehead until you know for sure that it's dead. Sealers are supposed to "palpate" a pup's skull after they've clubbed it, to feel the caved-in bone beneath the skin and blubber. Or they can perform the "blink reflex" test, which consists of touching the seal's eyeball—if it blinks, you've got to club it again. (Few sealers actually perform these tests, though; some say they can feel the skull collapse as they make contact with their clubs.)"

Fun for all the family.

(Well, it has just as much relevance to the topic as your contributions)

Back on topic for a moment.

I haven't noticed the appearance yet of the Utah Gold Dollar.

What's holding it up?

If I were a secret international cabal of robber banksters, dedicated to the New World Order (Patent Pending) I'd be promoting the idea like crazy.

While at the same time buying as much gold as I can lay my grubby mitts on. And - according to Arjay - that would be many, many shedloads of the stuff, given the trillions of dollars I am supposed to have stashed away somewhere.

Then I'd hold the entire State of Utah to ransom. As well as any other dipstick State or country that thought bringing back the gold standard (or the silver standard, or the copper standard, or the tin standard for that matter) was a really neat idea.

As a practical issue, Arjay, if we went onto the gold (or fiat-gold) standard how would you handle the more than $100,000 of debt owed by each household in Australia? That is, how would you convert that into gold/fiat-gold, and how would you expect it to be repaid?

Just musing.

perryclues quote""What's holding it up?""

usually its a shortage of gold/silver
ghetting it from conex has become very difficult
they have minimum lots that must be redemed by a complicated system
[i posted a link about it about 3 mths ago]

the us mint has stopped minting silver dollars..
cause they are having trouble getting the silver
also the mob selling silver dollars got busted
the feds took their silver
[posted a link about both those issues earlier in the topic]

""If I were a secret international cabal of robber banksters, dedicated to the New World Order(Patent Pending)..I'd be promoting the idea like crazy.""

talk is cheap
no one is saying you are "the" cabal

[i did say you often sound like
your working for their adgenda though]

""Then I'd hold the entire State of Utah to ransom.""

thing is if they have the stuff
[and its not easy to get..china seems to be bying it up..trying to convets at least some of the yanki fiat into the AU/metal]

.."if we went onto the gold..(or fiat-gold)standard how would you handle the more than $100,000 of debt owed by each household in Australia?""

that ship has gone
there isnt enough real gold or silver..to bring that back ever

[but the cupra/nickle..standard
..for the coin-age..there is still time]

as i have said...copper coin is the perfect egsample of how inflation
eats up value..[recall the copper/penny..weighed near 9 and a half grams

and the one cent piec weighed near 2 and a half grams
just by taking them back to the bank
we lost 7 grams of copper

recall the usa cent is masde from iron[then copper plated]
someone is stealing the value

thats a fact

do the math
near 3 grams of pure grade nickle
is worth how much...

soon they steal even that

a sixpence contained 2.83 grams of sterling silver[925 fine]
[after ww2]..it contained the same weight but was alower quality of silver[500 fine]

tell me that isnt theft

""how would you convert that into gold/fiat-gold,""
coin gets a value that equals fiat dollar values
it returns coins *back to their constituted status/values

""and how would you expect it to be repaid?""
all coins belong to the people and govt
bankers can kep their notes system

nothing need change
except govt and the people return to true values

[coins will be indexed*.. to true inflation rate
relitive..in paper/plastic fiat banker/dollar values]

""Just musing""

ya me too
aint it all just too amusing...

tell your masters its fair
they get to keep their spioils
but cant de-spoil...it for the rest of us

On what basis do you expect "cupra/nickle" to behave any differently from gold, silver, copper, tin or whatever, one under god?

[but the cupra/nickle..standard
..for the coin-age..there is still time]

It is either i) a symbol, representing a certain value or ii) a value based on the weight of metal(s).

If i) then it is no different in any way, shape or form, to paper money. Both are simply abstract representations of a notional value, its exchange value determined by the market - i.e., how many of these will Coles accept in exchange for your basket of groceries.

If ii) then it is no different from any other traded commodity, whose exchange value is determined by the market for that particular metal or combination of metal, at any given time.

You seem to want it to be both. Which cannot be done.

>>nothing need change
except govt and the people return to true values<<

But which "true values" are you returning to?

A fixed exchange rate for "cupra/nickle", in the same fashion as the ill-fated gold standard, held hostage to the fluctuating value of the metal it was made from?

Or a "representative" exchange rate, based upon the market value of the fiat-dollar?

By the way, you cannot simply wish away the >$100,000 per household of debt.

>>that ship has gone
there isnt enough real gold or silver..to bring that back ever<<

So you are left with an impossible task. If I owe $100,000, and

>>...coin gets a value that equals fiat dollar values
it returns coins *back to their constituted status/values<<

How do I get the necessary coins, with which to pay the interest? More importantly, where do I get the coins to pay back the principal?

That's an awful lot of "cupra/nickle"

In fact, at today's prices, that would be around seven metric tonnes, assuming a standard 75:25 alloy.

Mind you, the same debt, in January 2009, would have needed twentytwo metric tonnes to discharge.

How does that work, one under god?