This scared me AJ:

“We should no sooner want white supremacists fostering or adopting children if we know there is every chance the minds of children could be poisoned by a belief system that is divisive and hateful.

Like the much touted possibility of Parental Alienation it takes more than adults assume to saturate a child in poisoned concepts about others to the point they believe them without question.

Upshot for me is… the parents chosen to foster children have to be people who do not have some burning need to make children believe as they do which is a separate issue to the organizations profiting from child abuse at present since some appear to have no affiliation with any church but do lobby alongside them.

What scared me is I got the idea that you believed anyone who believes in god hates gays the same as white supremacists do. Like Runner throwing a paragraph together with pedophiles mentioned alongside homosexuals. I suppose the way you came across to me as if your belief that someone is hateful because you seem to hate them is scary.

Truthnow kinda started with a confusing question about if they can’t foster children then should we let them be parents at all. Yes I think we can and have to and we have to stop confusing foster children and their complicated lives with that of adoptive and biological children.

Christians get the laws changed to suite themselves, no idea why they let the side down in the UK but I’m sure they’ll turn it around somehow.

Nice one Philo, wait until a small foster child looks up into your eyes and says "my mum is a lesbian". I wonder what many here would reply...

Well... yes, actually, Philo.

>>Pericles, According to this view then it should be understood that Priests and Judges who desire sex with young males may well have sexual orientation markers in their genes that predispose them to their behaviour. They have a genetic reason for their action. So are they performing a criminal act?<<

Priests and Judges who act upon those desires, and have sex with minors, are indeed performing a criminal act. As of course would homosexuals, should they have sex with minors.

The law treats people equally, you see.

Well, mostly.

But we are not talking about homosexuality itself being criminal behaviour, are we?

Or have I missed your point completely?

Hey Hasbeen, funny hearing the English people called natives – I always think of them as invaders. I recently read about the 40 million eastern Europeans who moved to the USA in the 18watevers. Amazing how they coped. I believe they still defer to them as many of them were Jewish. So now it happens to England.

Are we just grumpier now or is it easier for our complaints to be made public and receive more information concerning immigrants?

I also recalled years ago being told after a job interview that it was a shame I wasn’t deaf as I would have gotten an extra point as far as being chosen for a govt job and their requirements at the time. Can’t have been enough deaf women about the place I suppose.

The law reflects the changes in society and now it has upset the Christians in the UK. I’d just like to see laws in place that make it impossible to hide child abuse within the system. Last I read the UK has closed courts that place children in care and a horrible local council set up where the govt gives the councils more money the more children removed from parents. USA is similar with federal adoption bonuses per foster child.

Worldwide I dread to think what money is generated by allegations of abuse, the removal of children from their families and then hiding them unseen and unheard due to privacy laws in the fostering organisations.

Jewely,

I think the biggest problem here is that we’re only reading text and not seeing each other’s faces to interpret what others are feeling as they type.

When I write what I write on OLO, the majority of the time my tone is meant to convey concern, not anger.

Granted though, I knew beforehand that putting Christians in the same sentence as white supremacists could very well raise the need to rationalise it to someone later on. But I had thought my reasoning through beforehand and was confident it was sound, so to compare it to runner’s thoughtless, emotional and hateful shooting-off-of-the-mouth in mentioning homosexuals and pedophiles in the same sentence is rather inaccurate to say the least.

<<I suppose the way you came across to me as if your belief that someone is hateful because you seem to hate them is scary.>>

No, I don’t hate anyone, and it’s a sad world we live in if someone can’t just tell it how it is without appearing like they hate people.

Perhaps, in text, this is something that may not always be possible.

Jewely
No argument from me on who could make good foster parents.

AJ
Trouble is the divisiveness and judgementalism that you speak about in Christians is within all groups. We all make judgements and have values that might differ from others regardless of our religious stance.

In life we are going to meet many varied people with many varied ideas about what is 'good' and what is 'bad', some will not always take a more libertarian view.

Christians are no more likely in my experience to be against homosexuality but that is within a European and Australian context which is culturally more tolerant than say the US. The US, probably because of its religious pilgrim roots, has its fair share of wacky and corrupt sects.

We really are getting Big Brother if Christians are no longer considered to be suitable as foster parents especially as many Christian families have dealt positively with their natural children as regards homosexuality. The problem is with the extremists, even some on OLO, who deceitfully link homosexuality with pedophilia.

Pelican writes
'The problem is with the extremists, even some on OLO, who deceitfully link homosexuality with pedophilia.

No the problem is when people are in flat denial that if you claim homosexuals are predisposed that way the same goes for pedophiles. This simple fact destroys all logic for those wanting to blame their behaviour on 'being born that way.' It is also undeniable that most Catholic Priests who fiddkled with kids were homosexuals. The denial by those who can't defend their dogma can't change the facts.

Call me an extremist, terrorist or whatever you want but it does not change the fact that homosexuality is unnatural. To teach children otherwise is to teach them a lie.