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Does Labor have the numbers?

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Labor Annual Report:
Labor are borrowing more than $100 million a day, every day.

$300 Million Wasted on Green Loans Debacle.

$38 Million Wasted on Mining Tax Ads.

Gillard Caves in to Inquiry Over BER Bungle
The Labor Government bungling its $16.2 billion BER...Orgil reports 19 out of 59 inspected not value for money. Three schools on Kangaroo Island have been charged more than $100,000 in ‘site inspection fees’.

Pink Batts.
240,000 dodgy installations, up to 1,000 electrified roofs, 93 housefires, 4 deaths...

$200 million wasted on pink batts

$38 Million Wasted on Mining Tax Ads.

Immigration Budget Blow-Out
Howard spent $100 Million in his last year, Labor has spent $700 Million in a year.

A full staff of 150 but no ETS!
At a cost of $81.9 million...

Labor Spends $2 Million to Cut Travel Costs
Two separate consultants were hired at a cost of $2 Million to do studies on how to save $26 million on travel....

Consultants hit Labor $1 billion jackpot.
The Labor Government have awarding $1 billion in consultancy contracts.

Labor Throws $50 Million at PR Spin
The Labor Government spent more than $49 million of taxpayer money on 418 media advisers, media monitoring and PR spin last year.

More than $10 million cost for GROCERY Choice website
The Labor Government will incur costs of over $10 million on it's now defunct GROCERY Choice website.

Housing Program Wastes $45 million and Not One House!
The program is so mired in bureaucracy, and high administrative costs that $45 million has been spent for not one house.

Tim Flannery paid $180,000 a year to impose a Carbon tax on us.

Well do they have the numbers to get back in, they have done a lot for Australia in four short debt full years. From a $20 billion surplus to a $60 billion deficit, and counting ...up and up..I welcome comment.
Posted by sonofgloin, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 9:37:03 PM
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Well my concern is whether or not anyone else will want to govern as I hate to think where we will be in three years from now, if the past term is anything to go by.

Labor wont stop the waste, they proved that yesterday with flying 'boat people' to funerals. I'll bet we paid for the funerals as well, no doubt!

Now I do feel sad for these who lost their loved ones, but, what about our own folk, they can't get free flights to the recent funerals of their loved ones, and they are Australian tax payers.

So my bet is that labor will do a 'back flip' and pay for all to travel around the country to attend family funerals. That is provided you don't have a job as they will most likely means test that as well.

On a positive note, I think Malcolm Turnbul may well send us a life line.
Posted by rehctub, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 6:33:00 AM
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SOG... *wasted* ? :)

$38 Million Wasted on Mining Tax Ads.

no no noooooo.... you misunderstand politics.... it's never a *waste* when YOUR side of politics Ad agencies and consultants get the work....

in fact.. the cynic might suggest that these 'agencies' and 'consultants' even recycle some of those funds into direct campaign reelection donations:) but.. hey.. I guess I'm just a cynic.
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 7:20:31 AM
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These figures don't mean a thing without sum comparison to compare.
Posted by a597, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 9:11:00 AM
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Sources for the figures also would not hurt.
Posted by Flo, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 11:16:55 AM
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I will leave this one alone.
Simple its not the color I want to paint the world.
And while making a few very happy is not near true.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 12:49:54 PM
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Sadly tis true Belly.

Just as a bi line I have been listening to Keneally and Ofarrell over the past couple of weeks on a radio segment and all I can say is that I am now looking at independents as my State choice in March.

No talent, no vision, and no answers, their minders should keep both of them off the air. I might add the next Fed election might shape up the same for me.
Posted by sonofgloin, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 3:56:41 PM
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rehctub:>> Well my concern is whether or not anyone else will want to govern as I hate to think where we will be in three years from now, if the past term is anything to go by.<<

If we were going into generational debt for water infrastructure and the population decentralization that would follow it, or national health, or national security, I would have no issues, every growing business needs a health overdraft.

But $40 billion on trenches and cable is an ego cost that is how much the current Labor leadership will make us pay for their ego. We have already paid $700 Million for their asylum seeker ego this year. The Pacific solution is still sitting there, so now we have knife fights in the Darwin Motels that we put the illegal combatants up in. They will do well on the streets of our cities, given they are carving each other up five minutes after arriving.
Posted by sonofgloin, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 4:29:19 PM
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SM
The ALP stopped being a party for socialists many years ago, just as the Coalition moved from supporting competition and small business at the behest of the big end of town and both parties set about privatising publicly owned assets and kowtowing to the super economies on free trade.

Even if you keep repeating it over and over, the general populace is smarter than you imply. In truth both parties need a good kick in the rear to bring them back to the centre/left where all good social democracies should sit.

SOG
Labor could easily recoup some of these losses (yes they were ill managed) by reinstating the mining tax, close tax loopholes, withdraw from Afghanistan and stop buying shonky defence materiels to keep in with your mates.
Posted by pelican, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 11:09:19 PM
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I would like to say I expect to be able to use the communication technology for this century connected to fibre my home.

In the last century I expected like most others to have the copper wire that gave me accessed to the communication technology of the time. A phone connected to the copper wire in my home. How many today rely on that phone today to carry out our day-to-day transactions. I think you will find the web has taken over many of the roles we used our phone for.

I expected that I would have a road that goes past my front door, which also cost more in Australia than many other countries.

When I was a child, we used kerosene lights, refrigerators and a car battery to power the radio. Today I, among others expect a power line to my front door. It cost more in this country to provide electricity than many other countries with higher population density.

Early last century we endured the toilet in the back yard that was emptied once or twice a week. We then came to the conclusion that sewage to the greater majority was necessary, mainly on health grounds. We now demand that this is provided before homes are built. I am sure that cost more in Australia than many other countries.

We as Australians expect public transport to be able to move around the country. We find it is much more expensive, owing to the vast distances to provide highways and rail lines.

I want to see Australia to continue to grow. This cannot happened if we do not provide the necessaary infrastructure, that our children and grandchildren need
Posted by Flo, Thursday, 17 February 2011 8:40:07 AM
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Flo what you say is valid in regard to moving with the times, but what is the right move in regard to a technology that changes every year.

This government has made the word billion meaningless, it had a worth pre Kevin. It was a scary number that you hoped did not grow, but now every Labor fiscal initiative is in billions. That’s what freaks me out regarding ABN, the billions part.

We built the Snowy for $6 odd billion in current value, consider the sheer scope and consider the return of the Snowy. Then consider what we are going to get for $40 billion,....cables.

"Wikki
The Scheme was managed by the Snowy Mountains Hydro-electric Authority, and took 25 years to build, from 1949 to 1974,[8] at the cost (at that time) of AUD$820 million; a dollar value equivalent in 1999 and 2004 to AUD$6 billion."

America who has the population to support cables went wireless the other month. There are options that cost less than a third and deliver the same level of speed.

Flo there is no sense in spending that money on faster net, there are other infrastructure issues that are about our survival not our entertainment that need to be addressed now.

Our population has grown by 50% since 1980, that’s an incredible figure, but our transport systems are still 1980, our hospitals are still 1980, our roads are still 1980, but our internet will be quick.
Posted by sonofgloin, Friday, 18 February 2011 8:18:29 PM
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To plan for the future one must first seek to find the needs of those who will be here in the future, our youth.

They do not use the Internet, at least as we know it, they use their mobiles for almost everything.

Furthermore, do you all think these mobile companies are going to just sit back and watch the 'land liners' take a huge chunk of their market share, no way, they will go down fighting.

I have three words when thinking about the NBN.

INSULATION, SCHOOLS, INCOMPITENCE, and labor expect us the trust them to get this right.

Sorry, to bigger gamble for my liking.
Posted by rehctub, Sunday, 20 February 2011 11:21:03 PM
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Why blame labor for shonky installers, it's going through the courts now. You just can't see past liberal.
Posted by 579, Monday, 21 February 2011 11:57:20 AM
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I just dropped in to see if there was any more "meat" on this rather over-chewed bone.

Sadly, none. No sources, no detail, just the same old waving of arms about, hoping to attract attention.

Who started this? Oh yes, sonofgloin.

So do tell, where exactly did this money go? I mean, where did it end up? Did it simply evaporate? Was it thrown onto large bonfires on Capital Hill?

Or was some of it directed towards the employment of individuals? And did they then rush out and buy luxuries such as food, or shoes for the kiddies? And did those people who were paid, pay income tax, by any chance.

Your diatribe is all about "waste". So please explain, what percentage of the schemes actually ended up as wastage, and what percentage simply helped keep the wheels of the economy turning?

Money has no value unless it moves. In the same way, money cannot be said to be wasted if it moves through the economy.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 21 February 2011 2:54:41 PM
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"Money has no value unless it moves. In the same way, money cannot be said to be wasted if it moves through the economy."

Correct but big problems arise when the money stops moving.
Posted by Flo, Monday, 21 February 2011 3:46:24 PM
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OK Pericles, you say this is going nowhere.

NBN
Q. Do you really think spending some 40+ billion, on the hope that most of us will use the 'land line' based Internet is wise?

Especially considering our youth, our future, are more and more turning to the mobile network for most everything.

Insulation-
Remember, labor were warned time and time again, even before anyone had died that their insulation scheme was a lemon and posed many risks including deaths.

Q. Are you suggesting that it is OK to continue a major 'stuff up' purely in the interests of creating jobs?

There's some 'meat' for you to chew!
Posted by rehctub, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 5:01:26 PM
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