the church of rome...has made itself a comfortable place
in the material realm..satans realm

its not as if the secrets about the after-life
havnt been made known to them..but that they have failed to pass them facts on to their people..im not even that sure many even believe what they expect the flock to believe..

we have here..the pre eminant body of christ incarnate
and instead of uniting all the christians..under one roof ,it seems quite content to let things go as they have allways gone..

it cant be the shame..of their past works

or the fact they really do their best to dumb down..
the true eternal spirit realm..revalations

or the ignomious deals they have done with those of these realms..

i guess its just fear..
they know the change wont be allowed to happen..but then look even at the question..we and they know things arnt right..but what is the cure

this realm is after all satans realm..
even jesus said his realm is the realm to come
he went there..to build us a room in his/our fathers house

so much is in error..there is no easy way to go back to how it was intended to be..it would start with grace/mercy..in works..not words

it could be as simple as making the holy days of the christ birth about the christ in us all...and taking back easter and making the truth..[he died and returned..rebutting reserction day and judgment day delusions completly]..

it would help if we prayed properly
knowing god is abouve all good and mercyfull...
[no need to pray for that..but we could give thanks]

then there is that jesus died for our sins
jesus saw no sin in us to 'die' for

oh whats the use
we said it all before
and nothing changes...

we honour god with our lips
ursurors are tunning this world..
and worse the vatican is running with the bankers..[wolves]

Yabby:

Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over.(joking).

Paul Collins as Pope would be a good start.

The Catholic Church does need to re-evaluate its authoritarian nature and tendency to secrecy in relation to child abuse cases. So far it is responding to the latter in a more socially responsible way. There is hope. Not sure how you can change it Bridey if the rules are the rules, then they are the rules.

There are many other Christian Churches that have a much kinder and loving disposition towards women and homosexuals being that all human beings as per the Christian faith are God's children.

Bridey.. well said.. I heartily agree.

The Catholic church SHOULD change :) and embrace the liberating doctrines of Protestantism.

Abandon the idea of 'purchased forgivness' (Indulgences)
Flee from the tyrrany of the Heirachy
Embrace the truth of 'Justification by faith alone'.
Celebrate the true humanity males and females in married priests/pastors

However, it should not in any way change it's stand on homosexual behavior, which, according to the scriptures is a perversion and an abomination.

WHY does it need to change ? Well you answered that perfectly:

//Its claim to authority is based not on the Bible, which many others also revere, but on its own history and structure.//

Exactly.... move from Sola Ecclesia to Sola fide and Sola scriptura.

Never know..the millenium might suddenly arrive then :)

To be fair.. Protestantism should also change.

It should move out from a cozy inward looking incestuously self glorifying body to become an empowered by the Spirit, dynamic active outward looking movement for bringing the Gospel of Christ to every man, woman and child in Australia and even further afield.

"faces irrelevance"

Precisely.

Bridey is not at fault if the church does not take good advice. The church is a failure to those principles it *might* have advanced if it dies clinging to an illusory social control not within it's province.

Marriage existed before the church, before even government of any type. All those institutions can do is take note, like a secretary, that ths-and-that are so. The idea that they may define it, or forbid it to *anybody* is like giving orders to the weather. People may of course accept such assertions by the church, and through intellectual vapidity, the church might think that just because it has been so for a while it is set in stone, but they would be wrong.

I for one, would not give a stuff if catholicism disappeared, and even less if runner's sham religion followed.

Rusty

I guess World Youth Day

Was a bit of a fizzer

For you then, Bridey?