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FLOODS and DROUGHTS are predicted in the science.
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DAY and NIGHT are predicted in the science.

In the future it will be dark forever and we're all gunna die. I think we should tax the dark to stop it happening!

You sound just like that gangrene leader, Brown. It's all the miners fault.

I think comments like those here, Belly's any where, are all the evidence I need to remind me some views are not based on intelligence.

And TBC, really, showing off your finger painting skills again. I guess they didn't provide you with the nouse to skip spindoc's hook so convincingly? And lay off my ugg boots, They're security for that predicted ice age you loonies said we'd all be dead from already.

I very hesitantly enter the fray, putting forward my scientific credentials. None.

Is it not possible that changes in the climate, as we are experiencing, would be normal to earth's evolution, given the massive changes that have occurred in the past.

The earth has never remained static. Change is normal. If it did not experience cycles, it would then be of serious concern.

In the 16th/17th century, England had such heat as to enable grape growing.

It might be that humanity has contributed something. But as to the degree, aren't we somewhat arrogant in taking full responsibility ...

Oh dear spindoc, I think you ought to invest in a mirror mate. Or at least take that neck brace off and have a good look around at the company you are keeping in that 'skeptic' (for want of a better word to describe the group you place yourself in) camp of yours.

On thread alone Raw Mustard ridicules anything that isn't 'skeptic', another well known poster, who posts under multiple psedonyms is a member of the Bretheren, and yet another (dan S de merengue) is a dyed in the wool creationist. None of these could be described as 'leftie' and yet display quite strong cultish characteristics. This so-called 'correlation' of yours with 'lefties' and 'cults' doesn't stack up. It is a bald assertion with no data.

Nearly every one of your listed 'charcteristics' could more easily be ascribe to your so-called 'skeptic' movement even more so. In fact most of the literature they produce is through blogs, press releases and books.

Lefties, cultists, loonies? It seems that new ideas, instead of being welcomed for the opportunities they open up for the improvement of the human lot, are looked upon as threats to those who've become comfortable in their ideologies (religious or otherwise). Little has changed over the centuries when ignorance and vested interests are confronted by scientific facts.

What is it we are not getting? The answer may well be the fact that some fo us don't recognise the fact that the planet has a finite amount of resources and that it can tolerate only a limited amount of pollution. If world population continues to grow rapidly, if industrialisation spreads around the world, and if pollution and resource depletion continues at an increasing rate - the question that we should be asking is - where is human society headed?

Well as one who is also sceptical about the extent of AGW, calling someone a cultist just for holding a different opinion is hardly working towards the path of "getting it".

'Lefties' and AGW believers are not cultists and it is extraordinary that you would compare them thus. These sorts of disingenuous comparisons belittle the real tragedy in cult religions and the disenfranchisement of those who get sucked in usually because of some deeper vulnerability.

One could easily and with little effort use the same logic to cast aspersions to those on the far right, those who cling to the solid faith of free trade and globalisation, those who think the private sector and corporatism holds all the answers.

Sometimes people just have different opinions about what systems work best for socieites and about human nature.

What it is we are not getting is honest debate that does not include broad generalisations and trite comparisons to cultism

Well...what an interesting thread:) You know, it would be nice to have the ultimate answer to one of the worlds biggest Questions, which will effect all of living life on earth, but hey........she'll be right mate! Human-kind cant be wiping things out.....tell you what, lets pretend nothing happening, that way.......I can clam ignorants.

There's only two possibilities!

1...Every thing is fine

2...This is just the beginning

If this planet throws a curve ball, no amount of money will fix it.
We could perhaps, just keep on going.....which humans will do anyway, and that will be dew to the uncertainty from both sides of the camp, which probably wont matter since the planet keeps its own time table. So, if change is on its way, regardless whether or not man is responsible for it, the ball is overly rolling on a planetary scale which man will be powerless to stop, which = billions of deaths world wide.

See, the thing is, mankind is at its most vulnerable position ever, compared to all the other civilizations put together. If mankind gets this wrong, there wont be a second chance, and the dark-ages will be a reality that generations from now, will talk about for centuries.

Now if GW can be slowed or stopped, mankind will still keep going regardless of all the evidents that's so abundant, a blind man could see it.

So, we have a planet that's long over-due for a change ( and change usually takes 10's of 1000's of years ), except when a bunch of Humans starts making it worst:) and speeding up the processes by forcing the two together.

Continued