sameness..[between the parties]..kept you out of power
keating/hawke...were sellouts..sold out the working slob

[so too is billy boy]

bill like julia is part of the problem

just like jonny how-hard...and the abbot and the bishop..are the problem..they...all..drunk the coolaid..all serve the israelie/yanki business corperation...opperating via the british law society

all talk of average wages
NOT MINIMUM wage...[which is what the average wage earner gets]

these MINIMUM wages are much put upon by the elitsist employer assosiations...mr how hard screwed them out on a due wage increase

TO GIVE them super..[not that any of the poor slobs will ever collect it..its all chewed up by fees..and other nasties...while the real elites get nice topups]

then they got increased burden's..extra taxes,higher fees/charges..less service..more policing..all the while their MINIMUM wages...kept falling lower and lower

yes average wages went up...
but average workers DONT GET..AVERAGE WAGES

only the top [elites]..get anywhere near average wage..
you know the ones who get other lurks..like cars..petrol vouches..or govt superanuation..cheap rents..or other bonus

but why bother
the whole barrel is rotten

all in poli-ticks are scummmm..[not just some]
party hacks papering over the cracks...just like bloggers

wont get into the media..
[might spoil their HOLIDAYS]

poor sellout saps..the blooming lot of em
[especially the unionists..who stopped striking back]

they were all we had

Well Belly, yes certainly, I want good government too.
But the questions are: what is good government? What codes of ethics and conduct should good government be based on? What does government aspire to for the country and its people? What are its long term goals--how does it see Australia in a hundred years? What is it doing to secure a viable and ethical future? How does it plan to improve the world, and so improve its place in it? What inspires government in other words--what's the big picture?
I don't think any of these questions are considered by either party. Three years is as far as they look into the future and it's a blinkered gaze. Meanwhile, they just go on celebrating, foisting the crap that Australia is already somehow "accomplished", in itself and in the world.
Why can't we and our politicians take stock of our country's failings? Count them out, name them, and pledge to take steps to amend them? Why can't world leaders enumerate the evils, injustices and disparities they preside over?
No, there's none of that here or abroad. There's just endless hypocritical self-congratulation, punctuated on national holidays and passed around like a reefer.
There's no vision for the future, no modesty or genuine self-assessment (at the national or even species level) or admission of failings, and ergo no commitment to change.
You just want "good government", maintenance. That's conservatism. Labor's supposed to be progressive!
As individuals, do we ever stop criticising ourselves? Who doesn't shake their head at the things they've said or done occasionally, or resolve to be better, to make improvements? Only the comprehensively self-deceived are unselfcritical, complacent, "conservative"! Honest individuals acknowledge their failings, even despair at them, though the proper thing to do is make changes, face up to yourself and pledge to be better.
But nations! There's none of that. There's just lying smugness.
I don't want "good government", I want reform!

"whoso would be a man must be a non-conformist" (Emerson).

You have to feel sorry for people like Belly.

Still, you have to give full marks to those Labor spin doctors. To be able to keep people like him believing that Labor still has some interest in people like him is no mean feat, with the agenda they have.

Yes they pander to the union bosses, who like high immigration, it helps keep the number of dills paying union does right up there. However, it's that same immigration policy that keeps his union rank & file in poor street. Keeping them voting labor, that is a slight of hand worthy of a master.

They are now the party of academics, [just look at their MPs], & the public service, both protected species under Labor. That they still need the worker vote to get elected I'm sure erks many of them.

I think they are a bit upset with the teachers, who first went Democrat, & now to the Greens. After all, they should be part of the Labor family. Does the fact that they aren't mean that school teachers are smarter than academics, or just that the latter will vote for whoever will put the most butter on their bread.

You only have to hear a bit of the garbage our academics sprout out on our ABC, to know they are bought & payed for. I get a picture of them sitting in a line, like good little puppy dogs, tongues hanging out, waiting for their next bone. Disgusting really.

So good on you Belly mate, you do have my sympathy.

Squeers well put again we share many views unfortunately the majority of voters do not have such dreams.
Hasbeen lets get in on the table, no out to the car park the Aussie way.
Mate I am as capable of thinking for myself as you are.
In my view, true, better, as you are conservative, never once saw anything bad about them, I am Labor.
I also am union, not every union not all in any union.
Even you get it right some times,like kicking a stick in a paddock and uncovering a stone you are partly right about a few ex unionists.
Simon Crean,the ex AMWU bloke, this state election in NSW a union ban on working for the ALP should take place, some day some time, the ALP must be told it cannot take workers for granted, would you propose big business do that to your side? a few who climbed to power in unions then became?
The product of two blow flys on a dead beast.
Pity me?, I glorify in being me, being different than you and two others here inspires me.
Again Labor is in need of renewal, federally too, Gillard, well ahead in the polling, is not the one to introduce real change.
But Abbott surely you know? is an anchor,a rock your boat founders on.
In my lifetime, yours too, modern people more I believe than ever,are too interested in the opinions they want to see than reality.
At a time my party has ruined or failed to deliver so many policy's yours bloke is still on those bench's not in government.
Hasbeen may you, family mates,have the best Christmas of your life.
I hope Santa brings you joy and just maybe some ability to see the world as it is, hope he is not a little colored fella would not want to upset you.

An interesting and informative story in this mornings Sydney Herald.
Worth a look, it has a picture of the twin towers on fire and while I can not remember the exact title it is about just why conspiracy theory's get air.
It touches on how we get opinions and is well written.
Seems Wikileaks is now being used by theorists to try to push yet another theory.
Opinion makers come in all walks of life.

911 has few unknown secrets

so many questions..that the govt must know of

but seeks to still try to not memtion
[dont mention the war?]

here are the opinion makers ..at their worst

naming names
who done what
and still govt chases other destractions

http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/3084be49b35a1426?pli=1

from 911 facts file

So in the course of disordered events-who benefited?

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