TBC:

I'm not sure how to answer you. My ethos has always been live and let live. To each his own. I would never dream of questioning someone's beliefs unless they caused harm to others. As for school chaplains - I thought that school chaplains were not compulsory. That it was up to each school to decide whether or not they wanted them. I thought it was a matter of choice. Not all schools have them, certainly not in Victoria.

you need only to watch stuff like hairy porter[or cartoons and kids programing..to see a regular doese of so called black art /magic..demons..warloks..magitiions..

or try watchinmg the music vidio's

in short...there is a lot of imagry...that sets up feeble minded fools..into gaining beliefs...in these injurouse negative beliefs

simply believing...in them...sets up the weak minded..to get abused

its sad you dont knock...them
yet consistantly knock religeon

any who claim to have faith in jesus
must recognise his certainty...in the possesion of human will...by those loosly called demons..

i quoted extensivly..in the spirits topic..from the pdf thirty years ammoung the dead..that recognises..the ability to remove..these haunting/lost spirits...by scientific process..[not the tv mumbo jumbo..that passes for exorsizim]

i asked you for evidence..and you provided none

you coukld visit any nuthouse...and see many
[any that is self injuring..is usually haunted]
take this further...and any self infliction of hurt ..or putting ione self into danger..is like waise a sure sign

i include many forms of over intoxication..or excessive drug taking
as well as a cetrtain class of drugs..like still-nox...where people do things they cant recall..

i must repeat...there are sure signs
for those who know the symptomolgy..but sadly the church likely regards listening to rock music..as a sign...

when the true sign is more obvious..[self injury...blanked out memory..destructive behavious..uncontroled/over use of drugs/booze...excessive retort to viloence/abuse]

dont poo-poo that you dont comprehend
by all means bring religion to account...for things it does do bad

but dont go jumping to conclusions/delusions..
about things..beyond your tiny minds comprehentions

its your athistic fiends..who have adgendas
and where there is no belief..in good..[god]

but belief in demons..magic...spells..and out of body experiences..

there CAN BE potential danger

either believe in NONE of it
or know..VILE has no power OVER..good

you do as you chose

but for gods sake..
stop kids...from drinking the demonic coolaid..TOO

GET RID OF ALL...THE MUMBO/JUMBO
not just the bit that peeeevs you off..

that you wish to kill-off...religiously
[in ignorance of the other...you seem to have no problem about]

The word voluntary has to be put into quotes, like so, "voluntary".

There is no such deal, I'm afraid.

These religiopests are thrust into schools without consultation, take over roles they should not do, impose themselves into classrooms and the playground, and invite their chums in to mingle with students at will.

They have no understanding of policy, which is not policed anyway, and certainly have no intention to 'live and let live'.

What choice is there when they are encouraged to say prayers on assembly?

And you have to withdraw your child from that social exercise.

What choice when they run sport?

What choice when they infiltrate school camps you send your child to?

No Lexi, they are 'on a mission' to evangelise, which they are allowed to do, and proselytise, which they are not.

They counsel students, which is prohibited, and refer them to 'others' which is also prohibited.

Do read the NT Ombudsman's report of how two school chaplains housed a convicted sex offender in close proximity to schools, and broke just about every rule in the book.

There is now to be an investigation into the scheme across Australia.

It is as rotten as Garrets insulation scam, or Gillard's BER. As dodgy as the Whiteboard Affair, as corrupt as Howard's crew and their pork barrelling of electorates.

It is a Dead Parrot of a scheme.

My Dear OUG

"in short...there is a lot of imagry...that sets up feeble minded fools..into gaining beliefs...in these injurouse negative beliefs

"simply believing...in them...sets up the weak minded..to get abused

"its sad you dont knock...them yet consistantly knock religeon".

Yes, the feeble minded do fall for imaginary 'things' OUG.

Yes, people do believe in things, and call it faith when there is nothing to be seen.

That's what 'religion' does.

That's what you do.

I ignored your calls for proof, regarding them as too foolish to bother with. Sorry.

I know what you say about Easter and Christmas TBC both are pagan in reality.
OUG understands too he has reminded us Christmas is not Christs birth day.
I am not anti Christian, but think No God exists.
I have no problem in saying most who follow a God are harmless but so many are not.
In the darkness of night some reason for thunder and lightning helped start the long history of men inventing Gods.
Even now,we see Gods being crafted, invented to suit modern humans, some times exclusive it seems to high income folk.
Very few, who bother to look at medicine men, witch doctors Egyptian Temple Controllers would have any trouble saying it was based on control fear and greed.
Look at the Mayan Gods, and know, we are too willing to discard them all as fabrications.
But some, too many, think their God exists only for some humans not all, even think in some cases it is their job to kill other Gods people.
We would be better inventing one God or having none.

TBC, I am totally with you on this one!
I read the unbelievable exorcism 'story' in the magazine on Sunday, and thought about bringing it up here on OLO.
However, I knew we would get the usual long sermons from the usual posters here, and that there is not a damn thing we can say that would make any difference to what people believe!

I think that, in their ignorance, people will believe what they want to believe. In the years when the Bible was written, and for many centuries before and after the good book, there was no understanding of mental illnesses at all.
Many people, including Jesus apparently, made up 'demon' stories to try to explain that which they couldn't understand.

Several mental health illnesses have been mistakenly believed to have been caused by 'demonic possession'in the past. Back in the 'good old days' when everyone listened to the priests and other holy men, the people went to these men to ask for prayers for their mentally ill loved ones to be 'cured'. When the prayers apparently didn't work, the holy men wisely blamed someone else- the dreaded demons!

I have witnessed many physical abnormalities such as seizures, that have wrongly been thought to be caused by demonic possession for many years. Science and medical experts have long proven them wrong, allowing for effective medicines to help these people.

If someone is mentally ill, having trouble coping or finding answers AND is brought up in a very religious household, then naturally they will be desperate enough to try anything to 'cure' their torment.

How many of these so-called exorcisms fail for these people?
I bet we never hear about them.
Some 'demons' can be very stubborn I guess :