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Posted by nairbe, Friday, 10 December 2010 11:50:03 AM
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TBC we could have a drink and a laugh in real life, you make me laugh here often.
Pitiful how ever, sad laughter, those who appear to be as extreme as you only have a voice on the net. Few would stop in the street to hear that. Now, with Bob Brown appearing in the leaks with conservatives saying they too talk to America, can we refocus. OH and that bit about going in to the war on lies, 5 years old that we knew that did we not. Now in the event a chance to adopt an issue, take it over, fan it till it burns brightly the greens/very left are good at it. Not much of a chance they get center stage any other way. Surely we knew this was taking place, what crime Australians talk to our closest Friend. Just as Wikileaks is not the problem nore its owner. What has been said is lessor to the Nazi like American assaults on freedom of information and speech, its own First amendment lays right now in a septic tank in Washington. Unable to plug the leaks it proposes actions dictator ships would hide. Posted by Belly, Friday, 10 December 2010 1:07:59 PM
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That was interesting Poirot, I need some technical stuff explained to me but will annoy my local geek about it later. This is the latest thing I have read;
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/wikileaks/afp-to-decide-if-wikileaks-acts-illegal-as-government-cant-say-what-laws-were-broken/story-fn775xjq-1225968947963 “However Mr McClelland stressed today it was not his responsibility to determine guilt or innocence, and that Australians had died face down in the mud over centuries to ensure “no officer of the political class” could make this decision.” Isn’t that exactly what the issue is? Australians and others have been dying face down in the mud and now proof appears that politicians were making the decisions or being coerced by other stronger political forces that were and are operating outside Law? Isn’t it our Laws that we ultimately fight for because they are the foundation of each country and represent the people? Posted by Jewely, Friday, 10 December 2010 1:18:42 PM
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nairbe:
The Bob Pobjie article on Wikileaks given in New Matilda, was tongue-in-cheek and a satire. Not meant to be taken seriously. The author is well known for his satirical commentary. And New Matilda does offer a variety of opinions. One on a more serious note I cited earlier: http://newmatilda.com/2010/12/08/what-has-really-been-disclosed by James O'Neill. Posted by Lexi, Friday, 10 December 2010 3:33:58 PM
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Nairbe
Each to their own. "The author is well known for his satirical commentary." Indeed, but that's all he does. It's like watching the Chaser crew forever. It wears off, and anyway, what insight does it bring? Belly, I'd love to have a beer, or more, with you because I do think we'd get on like a house on fire, even with our different political views. In fact, because of them. I like the cut of your jib, your tenacity, your faithfulness to lost causes. It all strikes a bell with me, and my time as an ALP acolyte, albeit in a different faction to you. Never forget that I regard you, and your chum Senator Judas Arbib, as extreme too, although I suspect you have been far more useful in your work as a frontline organiser than he ever has as a backroom dealer. You could be right about 'the voice on the net' though, like via GetUp and their ad campaign lambasting Gillard, who you do not like or support, and the Yanks, who are clearly batshitcrazy at being exposed as complete dills, and dangerous ones at that. I'll be in Sidders in January, we should meet up for a schooneranew. Posted by The Blue Cross, Friday, 10 December 2010 6:51:07 PM
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Thanks Lexi,
I thought it a weak attempt to divert attention from the over excited reaction of the government to what in the end will go away given time. Should have known i was being had, but have been guilty of being a sucker a few times in my life. TBC, As a joke ok, but it is the apathy shown by this article that has become all to familiar in a once rebellious nation. Yes each to their own but if one is to be that ho hum about it then they should stay home next election. But as you said it was just tongue in cheek. Posted by nairbe, Friday, 10 December 2010 7:19:28 PM
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What a regrettable position to take. We can all live our lives in such ignorance if we choose. It is like the family that denies that their child has a learning difficulty or that they have mental health problems. There are many in the community that still do this and they end up with lives that are out of control and great sadness upon them. The child grows up to be a drug addict and the suicide of a loved one was so unexpected, bar the mental health problem they all denied existed.
The situation with Assange is the same. We have enjoyed being mushrooms for a long time, now the sun is shinning and people such as those at new matilda want to do chicken little. Well it is not good enough, we now have no excuses, we can not claim ignorance. We must accept responsibility and vote accordingly. It is alright to run down the big mouths like Bob Brown and Bob Catter, but at least we know they are saying it as it is.