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Poirot, you are brave indeed to watch such gormless TV (what next, Oprah?).

A welcome interlude from you as a result, I'd say.

Of course, this will not change the habits of governments, they are born-to-lie.

But it does begin to make the immediate more difficult for some governments.

I doubt China cares, nor Russia, but those who pretend to be virtuous, like we do, and the Yanks, and Brits, well, they've lost it by the sounds of it.

Of course, as far as Tea Party drones go, this is grist f'mill I'd have thought.

Conspiracy-plus, which is right up their street, and the 'normal' Republicans too, scared of Commos and Big Government alike should be welcoming this expose, not trying to close it down.

It validates their claims of 'can't be trusted'.

What else can they say, "Support the Obama outrage"?
Posted by The Blue Cross, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 11:57:32 PM
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Poirot thanks,while told you to watch fox I understood it is a hard task.
TBC gee radical me, I am an activist am radical and always will be.
Once trying to empty the Sydney harbor with a jam jar on your side of the fence I grew out of it.
You can not,hijack this issue, it is about human rights not anti America or leftist thoughts.
If it was the whole group could fit in to a wheat bix box, unity is strength.
This mornings news, that Sweden has stopped wiki as you call him from being bailed is ominous.
Can it be these put up crimes are in fact being used by this country on its knees, to help an out off control America stamp on our right to know?
By the way Bill Shorten is what Rudd the dud has us thinking he was, Gillard, gee I hear the comrades rumbling, is as handy as a rocking horse in the Melbourne cup.
In time my mob will understand, perception is reality like it or not only the opposition is working for Labor.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 5:21:56 AM
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http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/assange-granted-bail-then-sent-back-to-prison-20101215-18x46.html
"Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has been returned to London's notorious Wandworth Prison despite winning bail from a British Court.

He will now be held there for another 48 hours while Swedish prosecutors, who want to extradite him back to Sweden to face allegations of sex crimes, mount a High Court appeal to the decision.

Mr Assange's legal team, led by Australian born QC, Geoffrey Robertson, offered a total of £240,000 ($380,000) in surety, and agreed he wear GPS satellite tracking tags, report to local police every day and adhere to strict curfews while the extradition case, set down for next month, goes ahead.
Posted by Jewely, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 8:56:13 AM
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Jewely

Good link, thanks.

I'll sell my Volvo and Saab immediately.

Good to see Geoffrey Robertson QC is on-the-job.

Sweden may well suffer a backlash as a result of their subservience to the USA on this.

Will we see Obama return his Nobel prize maybe? He is a Democrat isn't he?

Now, where is Denton and his plan to kidnap the infamous millionaire Skase when we need him?

I see there is a struggle to raise 240k quid for his bail. Hard to imagine but clearly time for Denton to enter the scene with an appeal for this cash.

And maybe a jail breakout too?
Posted by The Blue Cross, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 9:10:53 AM
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Apparently it's highly unusual to appeal the decision in a case like this. Assange's lawyer has called the Swedish prosecution's appeal vindictive.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/wikileaks/swedish-prosecution-vindictive-says-wikileaks-lawyer/story-fn775xjq-1225971360309
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 9:58:34 AM
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This is a link to the UK Press Association announcement in relation to the Assange bail hearing decision handed down yesterday: http://bit.ly/efVh6t

It is interesting seeing the lawyer acting on behalf of the Swedish authorities attempting to put words in the bail hearing court's mouth, reported thus:

"Lawyer Gemma Lindfield, on behalf of the Swedish
authorities, reminded the court during the hearing
it had "already found that Mr Assange is a flight
risk". She said: "It's submitted that nothing has
changed since last week to allay the court's fears
in this regard.""



Interesting the focus upon Assange being a 'flight risk' when he surrendered himself to UK authorities in the first place, isn't it?



Are the words 'flight risk' echos of the language habitually used with respect to persons sought for extradition to the US that describes such as 'fugitives' in advance of any conviction, by any chance? The slight difference in terminology a result of sequential US English/Swedish/UK English translations of diplomatic communications, perhaps?

Good to see how that little attempt was dealt with by the judge presiding over the bail hearing.

Intriguing too, the Swedish focus upon a claimed lack of record of Assange's entry into the UK. Surely any question with regard to that could only have arisen within the UK? How, in the normal course of events, would the Swedish authorities get information as to such a claim other than from UK sources? And why, unless they were trying to infer that Assange had 'fled' from Sweden to the UK, would the Swedish authorities even be interested in such an internal-to-the-UK matter? Would it have offerred some possibility of the avoidance of extradition due process being followed within the UK if such a claim could have been sustained, I wonder?

I wonder too, given Australia is a member of Interpol, what inquiry is being made as to how an Interpol warrant could have been validly issued for the arrest of an Australian citizen before the laying of any specific charges? Kev?
Posted by Forrest Gumpp, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 11:10:23 AM
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