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OK, so when will the Australian public ever take matters into their own hands and sack the offices of our brave politicians, like the French are able to do with their understanding of 'solidarity', and now look at the UK students protesting over that lie riddled Lib Dem and his support for an anti-educational rise in student costs?

Wouldn't that be an interesting Wikileak, into the grovelling nature of the Lib-Dems to wars their Tory masters, and then between the Tory PM and the very un-socialist US president?
Posted by The Blue Cross, Sunday, 12 December 2010 9:17:31 AM
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Oh my!

What does he mean?

"Wouldn't that be an interesting Wikileak, into the grovelling nature of the Lib-Dems to wars their Tory masters, and then between the Tory PM and the very un-socialist US president?"

Sorry, try 'towards' rather than 'to wars'.

Hard to get good proofing people these days.
Posted by The Blue Cross, Sunday, 12 December 2010 9:20:24 AM
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It's interesting that Julian Assange was not formally "schooled" to a great extent during his formative years and , therefore, avoided the conditioning that is part and parcel of the system.
He sees things as black and white because his ethics are not compromised by having spent years in an institutional environment that is set up primarily to turn out obedient half-educated consumers to take part in the dance of consumer society.

In an interview in Time Magazine he was commenting on the effects upon organisations of the leaks. He said:
"....organisations which are abusive...need to be in the public eye. They then have one of two choices: One is to reform in such a way that they can be proud of their endeavours and proud to display them to the public. the other is to lock down internally and to balkanise and as a result cease to be as efficient as they were. To me that is a very good outcome, because organiations can either be efficient, open and honest or they can be closed, conspiratorial and inefficient."

TBC
Good point about the LIb-Dems in Britain and their throwing over of much that they supposedly stood for.
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 12 December 2010 10:33:30 AM
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Poirot:

I'd like to get your opinion on the following quote that I found on a website and ask you what you think of it? "Assange raves about radical transparency but Wikileaks does not have a fixed address nor does it offer us any understanding of its mechanisms for accountability. Assange has to be prepared to have his own organisation's process and funding open to examination. He must also take responsibility for the outcome of the leaks because the results can be devastating for innocent people caught in the crossfire..."
Posted by Lexi, Sunday, 12 December 2010 10:51:54 AM
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Lexi,

From the same interview in Time Magazine, Assange was asked if there were any circumstances in which he saw secrecy as necessary and an asset. He replied:
"Yes, of course. We keep secret the identity of our sources, as an example - take great pains to do it. So secrecy is important for many things, but shouldn't be used to cover up abuses."

My opinion is that in order for an instrument like Wikileaks to proceed, it needs to protect itself against the overwhelming destructive forces emanating from the entrenched hegemony it challenges.

Assange said, "We don't have targets, other than organisations that use secrecy to conceal unjust behaviour."
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 12 December 2010 11:47:36 AM
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lexi quote..<<Wikileaks does not have a fixed address>>.

i hear its in some granit fallout shelter
but it has a web address...[ok i cant quote it
but google will reveal it so

<<nor does it offer us any understanding..
of its mechanisms for accountability.>>

its not for ..'it'..to state..or for...'it'..to judge
it is a fiction..a corperation..corperations need spokes people..acting as trustees,...for the croperate FICTION..
they ARNT..the fiction
only acting as its trustee..[like any trustee position..you dont talk about the messenger..[trustee]..but about the trust...and its current puropse mission

any lawyer could explain about real people..and trusts...[fictional persons]

then we change tac..going the messenger[who is a real person...and media sems to have no trouble fibnding HIS mum..family etc..but lets QUOTE..<< Assange has to be prepared to have his own organisation's process and funding open to examination.>..

just ask those suppressing his funding accounts...and wikipedias funding accounts..all reportedly suspended

IM UNSURE WHAT YOUR ASKING FOR>>>MORE?

<< He must also take responsibility for the outcome of the leaks >>

no lawyer acting in a trust position..[on BEHALF of a coorperation..can be held liable...he has the same rights as any lawyeer..OR any other media SPOKESPERSON>>>FULLSTOP

<<because the results can be devastating
for innocent people caught in the crossfire>>>

what cross fire?

who lit the fire
who is calling for deatynsquads
not julian
not wikpedia

the person your quoting
needs to get a life

or lear law...they could well be liable for damages
you should quote the source to protect yourself

not from julian
but his legal council

especially if/..when he gets iced..by mossad or cia

loose lips sink ships
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 12 December 2010 11:56:09 AM
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