Bazz, a good thread. Are you aware of the changes planned for AR5 in respect of the 'dated' SRES?

No Bonmot, I am not very up with that at all.
Please tell me about it.
It doesn't really matter anymore what the IPCC does, it is just that
they have a big effect on government spending.
Whatever happens we have to have a crash course of economising on oil
gas and coal consumption and we really ought to ban export of those fuels.

OK im still having a material problem
both with the lying science..as well as..the cheap political_quick fix

that isnt a real fix..
and is going to cost us all most dear

and..only bying them[..the liers].more time.
more polution..more govt subsidy
.
to make the PRO-blem..ever more..*WORSE

not only is the quango..of cli*mate change a lie
BUT..lets look at the gifting of billions $$..of solar cells
to individuals...for nothing..

*yet still sold to us..
*as infastructure..spending

infastructure..NOW OWNED..by those..
with nice new solar cells..on their*roof's

not us SUCKERS..paying for it ALL*
nor even govt..or the power industry
but oppertuinists..getting free solar

look at ya electicity BILL
i cop a minimum cost..for off peak power..of 15 bucks 60 cents
also a service TO properrty charge of 22.41

yet these bludgers..
get 8000 dollars..of FREE INFASTRUCTURE..THEY OWN*
free and clear...

*and dont EVER..have to pay for*

then..get access to..our grid..at night
[offest by that..they put in..during MOST days]

but..im paying..their acces..and free gift's..
for their night time..colluded THEFTS

SO ARE YOU..!

for what..so industry can GEAR UP..
[producing much more co2]..to build SOLAR..or windmills

building.."infastructure"..
that will wear-out..in less than 20/30..years

talk about mad..[insane]...

THEY.. still need that OVERNIGHT infastructure..!
run on coal...but those..in the know..
get their free lunch..[all round]

*and we get acces fees
increasing prices..paying for the lot
WE ARE ALL PAYING FOR..the whole scam

my bill..has more than half its componant...
PAYING FOR THE BIG USERS...by having FIXED user/acces charges..
to infastructure..WE OWN..PAID FOR..and now rent

yet them bludgers..with solar..INFASTRUCTURE..they own*..FEE free
own it all..never even paid it's full/true price..nor pay it back..even in part

yes THEY..are..cutting their* costs
to get a free lunch..
by doubling the cost of mine/yours

how long this insanity..of GOVT-gift giving...[built on a lie]..going to go on for?

will..we ever..get those..*who got..*free solar
to pay-back..the "infastructure"..they get for mothing

that is costing us all..the earth...
even if only their true co2..production costs..bah

then they add on gst..to my bill
they..[the bludgers]..
dont even give/pay..[get]..THAT..

You had better change your mind about climate change, before things get diabolical. You are going to have to pull your weight or we will all suffer the consequences. Mean temps are rising, if there is no change the survival of mankind will be under a cloud by 2050.
We are already looking at another .7 degree rise in temp no matter what we do in the next decade.

*Whatever happens we have to have a crash course of economising on oil
gas and coal consumption and we really ought to ban export of those fuels.*

Not really Bazz. If you banned exports, everyone would stop drilling
for new gas and oil reserves. Many of our gas reserves are still
being discovered as we speak. There is one hell of a lot of
drilling yet to do. At 25 million and more for some holes, it
ain't cheap either. Some of the deep water stuff is alot more
then that. Many are dry, so it isn't for the faint hearted or those
short of a few hundred million.

Well Yabby I am not too keen on banking on these "Yet to be Discovered" reserves.
It is bad enough banking on the "Yet to be Developed" reserves.
No one knows how long it will take to develop real alternative energy systems.
We could find ourselves running out before the alternatives are proven if we keep exporting.
If we are not exporting then when we will have a longer time before we
run low and that will be the time to work on looking for the yet to be founds.
It is a case of looking after number one.