Dear Al,

What if the little country down in South America (or Africa or Asia or Anywhere) had been instrumental in you gaining your materials or cheaply manufactured components because its people had been exploited?
What if the little country (Wherever) had been saddled with a corrupt dictator because of the lessons learned from "Colonialism" or had one thrust upon them by the powers that be?

What is "wealth" anyway, Al, if it's not epitomised by the well-being and social cohesion of the majority in any given society?

Did you complain as vehemently at government handouts when the American government bailed out the rich guys and their banks with money from ordinary taxpayers?

pelican:>> Your hatred of the Greens is will documented but they are thus far the only party that will put environmental protection ahead of other interests.<<

Pelican you wondered what Al's agenda is but you do not have a clue as to the agenda behind those that you support.

Control on this earth comes from money and political power, and amazingly one begets the other, no matter which came first. The Lefts embrace of environmental issues and the whole environmental movement was hijacked by the "money". I had identified the rot and manipulation of the environmental movement twenty years ago and the conclusions that I came to have been encapsulated in plain speak in the link below, watch it, it is factual.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEggt0ldQUI

Re the environment I am pro, so toxic and material pollution is an issue for me and us. But the focus has been moved from the polluters by the polluters to the consumer and the BIG threat moved from the obvious pollution issues to Global Warming. The only comment I will make on Global Warming and the Carbon hoax is that in the past six months rainfall Australia wide state by state has broken records. Right now in Europe record cold and snow are breaking records, and winter has just started for them.

P do not be fooled by rhetoric, we are being conned by the "money". As I said in the Carbon tax thread, pissy little New Zealand will pay one and a half billion in just over three years to offset Carbon production to multinational corporations who had the foresight to buy existing forests in New Zealand. The money goes straight overseas and is then invested in Carbon producing industries. How stupid are we?, extremely by the look of it.

sonofgloin,

Your highlighting of of evidence of extreme "winter" does not negate the impact of global warming. The effects of such warming are more likely to be seen in unstable, unpredictable and unusual weather events.
You've already pointed out record breaking rainfall in some Australian states. Checkout WA's rainfall this winter....hardly any. Instead we had day after day of blue sunny skies - very cold but no rain.
Europe had a particularly severe winter last year and its shaping up early this year to be even worse.

Poirot, I have no issue with the validity of "climate change" after all it is the weather, but Carbon and the rhetoric and taxes that the instigators of the myth wish to put in place does not serve the environment, it serves them.

Poirot, sonofgloin thinks 'it' all a hoax, a myth.

You can't shed light on those that live in the dark without damaging hurting their eyes.

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/statements/scs22.pdf

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/statements/scs21a.pdf

Hope the links help.
Blair

Poirot re the WA rainfall, in 2009 total rainfall in the catchment area that supplies Perth was 607mm thus far in 2010 it is 486mm so you are correct about more sunny skies this year.

http://www.watercorporation.com.au/R/rainfall.cfm

But there is this from the Cwlth bureau of Met:

"The chances of receiving above median rainfall during December to February are over 60% in southeast Queensland, the eastern half of NSW, northern NT and most of WA. The odds increase to over 80% in the western part of WA (see map)."

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/ahead/rain_ahead.shtml