Whistler,

At the risk of providing you with more oxygen, your comment:

"Do you agree with Pericles equal rights between women and men means only men have a natural right to vote and to stand for parliament .... "

provokes a response. I'm sure that Pericles would never suggest such things, he has far too much integrity, something which you perhaps do not comprehend. You might think that you are clever and try to score silly points by twisting people's words around, but that tactic really is too infantile to answer in detail.

And what on earth do you mean by 'a natural right to vote ...' ? There is nothing 'natural' about it ! Voting rights have been bitterly fought for over a thousand years, by both men and women, and given that women are in the slight majority in Australia, it is hardly likely that they will give away this right, for the sake of your idiotic fantasies.

And do you think that men hate women so much that a majority of the male members of parliament would vote the way that you crave, and as your crazed models depend on ?

You may be a one-trick pony, but nobody is fooled by that one trick. Give it up and join the world. Merry Christmas.

Joe

On seven occasions on this thread Pericles has inferred the Northern Territory was a proclaimed jurisdiction at Federation, here: "You will also note - and this is very significant, so pin back those buccaneers - that the Constitution (yes, that one) had already provided for the women of South Australia, the Northern Territory and Western Australia to vote, since they had already been enfranchised prior to Federation."
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4116#102967, here: "Our Constitution, from the moment of its inception, recognized this, and ensured that the rights already earned by women in SA, NT and WA were enshrined in the finished product." http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4116#103050, here: "SA, NT and WA had already given women the vote, prior to Federation." http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4116#103106, here: "The Constitution was framed so that these rights were preserved. If the Commonwealth Franchise Act 1902 were to be rescinded for any reason, then the women of SA, NT and WA would still retain these rights." http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4116#103106, here: "Australia's Constitution, may I remind you, enshrined the existing women's suffrage in SA, NT and WA. Clearly, there was no provision for women to be subservient to men, as you suggest." http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4116#103231, here: "The Constitution was entirely at ease with the enfranchisement of women in SA, NT and WA, and an early order of business was to formalize this in the Commonwealth Franchise Act 1902. This would indicate a strong original intent towards gender equality, in my view." http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4116#103312, and here: "As I see it, the application of original intent to the Constitution would clearly reveal the intention to include women, at all levels of government. The evidence for this, as I have stated before, is found in the progress Westminster had already made towards women's suffrage, and in the specific acceptance of the foothold in SA, NT and WA." http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4116#103473,

[cont.]

... yet the Northern Territory was part of South Australia from 1863 to 1911 as indicated here: "[the NT became a territory on 1 January 1911 and its legislature achieved self-government in 1978]." http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4116#103139 , here: "NT was declared a territory on 1 January, 1911." http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4116#103340 and here: "The framers did not consider existing electoral arrangements in NT because NT did not exist when the Constitution was framed." http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4116#103594.

hi Loudmouth, Pericles' view on equality between women and men with regard to the rule of law is thoroughly documented here: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4116#104197 and here: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4116#104198 . Pericles beamed with pride over the compilation of his opinion women and men have equal rights in Australia when majorities of the fifteen legislatures which govern the nation can remove all women members on grounds of gender and prohibit all women the vote, while the same does not apply to men, here: "I am deeply grateful to you, whistler, for the comprehensive re-statement of my position on this matter. I'm actually quietly impressed by the breadth and depth of the arguments that I have brought to the table, in the attempt to understand your "Absent women's legislature" position." http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4116#104253.

Do you agree with Pericles the Northern Territory was a proclaimed jurisdiction at Federation?

So Whistler, .......... are you channelling Pericles ? What's your point ?

When you have something sensible to say, I'll be happy to get back to you :)

whistler:"hi Antiseptic, do you agree with Pericles equal rights between women and men means only men have a natural right to vote and to stand for parliament since majorities of Australia's legislatures can remove all women members, including the Prime Minister and two state Premiers, and prohibit all women the vote in accordance with the rule of law?"

I agree with Loudmouth that you are speaking gibberish.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.