Weighing the future in comparison with our past, the implementation of new education infrastructures and programs for the public sector are not giving the returns expected for funding.

Reports show that from 1990 – current government funding for general costs and programs within government schools to be less than non-government schools almost 30-100% for programs and up to 200% more for general costs given.

For example from a past report; non-government schools received $4484 million for general costs and $2619.7 million for programs, in comparison to government schools receiving $2344 million for general costs and $1603.3 million for programs.

Non-government schools, as we all know charge families term fees of anywhere up to 3-4Gs per student, giving question to why a non-government school is entitled to more than a public state school and is this rather for preference to selection of curriculum or enrolment numbers?.

The Government is ever increasing distribution of public funds for various programs, in an aim to improve our schooling for better national results that show very little improvement since 1982 for our money.

Maybe they need to look more at homework periods being 1-2 hours per night for public schools and 2-3 for private schools, not to mention curriculum periods being one hour rather than half an hour, with the rotation of main subjects more statically proven to achieve higher academic outcome.

Our teacher to student ratio national average has also shown little improvement for this period of time, with only minor adjustment fluctuations averaging 2-4 to 1 in primary and reasonable static ratio for secondary, both increasing over more recent years.

Example: 1982 primary 20.8 to 1, secondary 13.1 to 1, 1989 primary 18.2 to 1, secondary 12.2 to 1, 1999 primary 17.0 to 1, secondary 12.5 to 1, 2009 primary 24 to 1, secondary 18 to 1. Note however that in 2002 there was a statistic error between our two main sources: primary 16.9 to 1, secondary 12.4 to 1 sourced from Australian Bureau of Statistics and primary 16.7 to 1, secondary 12.6 to 1 sourced from ABS.

Government funds invested into outsource companies’ costs 10s to 100s of millions annually, through programs to advertising and not to mention infrastructure design.

Through research I found some examples of programs and statistics of results that maybe of some interest of how well our increased financial effort has been within the education sector.

To start with companies attached to the government outsourcing data and resources are not updating very regularly with more the 90% only supply data dated as late as 2002 increasing research time by hours, to located more up to date and in-depth information. This also meant sourcing internationally for local statistics and data.

Government invested $2.5 billion plus through the Smarter Schools National Partnerships program, a component of NEA designed to strengthen do what has already been implemented and active via the education system for years.

$18 billion through NEA; primary objective is that ‘All Australian school students acquire the knowledge and skills to participate effectively in society and employment in a globalised economy’, enthusing schools cannot mould alone.

8th grade male mathematic achievements international comparison hitting the basement floor gender gaps lowest in world, 4th grade bottom equal to 2 other nations. 0.65est of 1% education growth annually over 15 year timeline and an important fact, student families 52 to 56% of nation below the low income line in poverty over last 10 year span. Congratulations Korea for maintaining highest standards on the majority of main subjects over the years out of all nations.

The government funds up to $70million annually for training programs outsourced to Australian National Training Authority that designed VET.

Vocational Education Training 82 percent plus funded by the government, indicating results to say the least to be an expense we could do without.

The national results for 2009 for VET students was Cert I-58, Cert II-58 and Cert III-10 show this to be a non-viable program due to numbers. 2009 OP1 to 25: 1-5-25, 6-10-40, 11-15-39, 16-20-32, 21-25-19 out of how many?

What does this tell us beside great figures in outlining the obvious!, It tells us that we waste funds on programs; we waste funding on outsourcing, materials, committees and infrastructures that are not achieving academic desired results, let alone the required moulding for young adults to build a strong economic future.

We rely on the education system and pressuring teachings to be more than they can be. Teachers teach not groom for leadership.

This is outlining the need for the government not to put more and more funds into the education system not producing results, but to invest in adult independence of equal worth for the entire nation such as the concept of a national public service bill.

yeah...maybe it is homeworks hours
maybe..its the study period lengths

but i..stick with teachher/student ratio
or better-teachers..wanting to teach the better few*

of a better class..*for the better conditions...more pay..
and the fewer parents..at parent/teacher night

and better quality excursions

i still cant 'get'..why the public system
..pays anything to private...system

its just they know better..how to get at..public cash

I agree excursions are an important part of learning and schools need to be assisted not only with personal funding via selling chocolates.

I was a cub and kea leader years back the youngest as my father was the boss and we made sure excursions where at least twice a year and as good as a holiday.

No other association near us could compete because business knowledge plays an important part not just parents.

It is important that parents connect with teachers; this is also an assessment update for both sides in the interest of the child.

As we are at the end of the day part of the British Empire aka a commonwealth religion is interlaced into our constitution.

But at the same time these schools are the professional top end and should be able to support themselves.

probably a far better review would be to look at the facts that are causing numerous parents with all sorts of beliefs to desert the state system. Blaming the lack of funding is the same as blaming the lack of funding for aboriginal affairs on the plight of our first people. Billions have been spent with little to show. Fix the system instead of being envious of one that is far from perfect but works much better.

Funding isn't lacking, we have been putting more and more in the system.

We have been opening alternative divisions to do what current divisions are already striving to do. This just allows more people to be working on the same problems.

The point is this; our government spends and spends heaps, its wasting money all over the place not just in education.

It spends money to tell them what public opinions that don’t coin-inside with national opinions.

They open committees to talk, advertise unnecessary, spend on organisations indirect rather then direct.

It’s all about the money and its about using modern technology to save. They are stuck in old processors of going about things and needing to borrow money to fix when there’s money being wasted all over.

i still cant 'get'..why the public system
..pays anything to private...system

its just they know better..how to get at..public cash

OUG, from a fair objective point of view [mmm...in all probability not a 100% totally objective view], my daughter was educated in the public system, my son in the private system.

I was educated in the private system all the way through, however close friends with publicly educated students who I mixed with socially, cousins and others.

How I have always viewed taxpayer funds going to private schools is this. Within each school, there are the majority who will be either leaving school, attending TAFE for apprenticeships or working, others finishing Year 11 and 12, and either working or attending Uni.

Regardless of whether kids have been educated through the public system of private system, these kids, our future generations, will be contributing to our Nation in one way or another in their chosen professions, benefiting each and every one of us.

There are a total waste of previous taxes I have paid towards other Australians who were on triple the incomes I earned and enjoying the fruits of my labours regarding straight out luxuries, interests, and entertainment. Yet, I view it all as 'what goes around comes around' and what we give out to other people [students for one] will come back to each and every one of us, at some point in time.

I do not believe in one system being any better than the other.

It is the education of kids that I view as the primary consideration in order for these kids to lead safe, healthy and happy lives.

One other issue regarding this subject raised yet again.

When my son was attending primary school in the 'catholic system' I cannot count or regale the numerous occasions whereby 'significant' massive fundraisers were conducted for families and children 'publicly educated and raised' who had suffered a bereavement of a mother or father, that the 'catholic system' had heard about through either the media or another source.

On just one of these occasions a little girl had lost her mother and a sibling. Funds were raised by my son's school for the father and his other two children remaining. I organised the project, collected the funds, despatched the funds interstate, after the kids had written on the card.

A small gesture, yet one of heartfelt meaning and goodwill. I suggest many of you research Father Riley's site, Centacare, and some of the catholic school sites around the country, to discover the 'wealth' of school student programs benefiting the Nation as a whole [families, children and individuals] around the country, not privately educated or ever had anything to do with private education.

The facts are that many of the kids educated in private systems give give and give over the years to fellow Australians, regardless of their backgrounds.

How many programs, fundraisers and functions that benefit Australians [the non-religious] would you like me to list?

Lobby and take away the funding. It wont bother the private system. Parents pay for their childrens education and more to benefit the wider communities.

In another couple of years Australians will witness a noticeable reduction in programs, fundraisers and functions that Australians, totally unaware, or have taken for granted.

BrettH

Why don't you compare the funding received by the state governments, in which the non government schools get only a tiny fraction of what the government schools get.

This looks like another facile beat up of non government schools using flawed information.

Shadow Minister,

What I compare is on a national bases and state basis dumb ass - I did look at the states breakdown for number crunching each state has a variance freak-nut but they all are setup the same way funding for non government against government higher.

Problem with people like you all you can find is the nice tidy reports of the government websites that don’t give s real focus breakdown picture.

I have looked at all reports government and education and international for these facts more than any Australian would do without organising an outsourced committee with our funds first.

My facts are real and 100% accurate I am not looking directly at year 12 or university results I am looking at all grades.

maybe you feel these facts are flawed information that just indicates you lot are flawed with being incapable of real research.

Reason why most of you work for us, meaning investors from overseas and new Australians with business leadership.

Maybe if you spend less time sucking ass with government and media and did your own research this country wouldn't be sold off as much. Get the facts not opinions on hear-say.

The public should be asking for an entitled to is reports of all finances outgoing broken down by division and category so you can really see what your money is being spend on..

I lot of report by the finance site are not keeping upto date and I found looking internationally supplied more up-to-date stats in some areas on top of local - this is called cross checking.

I also did not take into account figures made to look good in world comparison, and noticed figures where not submitted that may be embarrassing.