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Health and safety in NSW

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I am both unhappy and pleased with that nice American lady driving the good ship Titanic [NSW Government]
NSW has by far the best OHXS system.
The federal governments one country one set of rules policy is understandable, but why not the best not the worst system?
Gillard may say as she wishes but a worker hurt badly at work, unable to ever work again, is now forced to live on social welfare by these rules.
However fear, threats, stand over tactics and blindness are weapons this same government has armed its public servants with.
Against its own workforce, now pre election with no shame, they seemingly think saving the pain, hurting till the last minute then promising the world,, is not under estimating even taking those workers for granted.
Labor can do better must do better promising a reprieve if they win an election they lost long ago is not going to do it.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 25 October 2010 5:38:42 PM
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*NSW has by far the best OHXS system*

The way I understand it Belly, the NSW system differs in that
unions can prosecute employers, for breach of safety laws.

The employer is them deemed guilty, until they can prove their
innocense. The union gets to keep half of any profits.

Do you really call that fair? Would you bother to employ
people, with those kinds of laws over your head?
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 3:07:35 PM
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"The federal governments one country one set of rules policy is understandable, but why not the best not the worst system?"

Apart from the issues of OHS Belly, this is one of the main reasons why it's beneficial to have the states. There is nothing about the existence of a centralised unitary government that wuold require it to choose the best rather than the worst options available any given case. States provide room for experimentation so that the best practice may eventually become generally recognised and adopted overall. It also gives some escape from bad government as in a worst case scenario, people can move to another state.
Posted by Peter Hume, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 3:18:11 PM
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Come on yabby, lets have a bit of bi partisanship.
You find a fault ,others exist, but are you aware the last conservative leader of this state gave workers a far better deal?
One group of unions would sell their mums for cash, and do miss use the system.
But it is a flea on a dogs back compared to injured workers lost rights.
In this matter Julia Gillard is beneath contempt.
Look at her past, then at her present, she betrays her past here.
A worker injured so he/she can never earn an income again should not live in poverty.
For those so biased they see only faults in workers/unions let me say this.
fraud inflated legal costs planned injury's, it happens, are a problem.
Can we focus on dead workers who died after bad bosses failed to obey laws?
Young men on roofs without fall protection, a migrant worker smashed in the face with a hammer by his boss.
Or one wearing boots that fell apart and made him fall ten meters.
NSW system protected workers rights better than other states.
One nation one set of IR laws ok but
continued
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 4:55:09 PM
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If IR reform is about cutting costs and conditions it is wrong.
Let us understand this Labor leader does, a worker crippled at work wants no cash, just to be as they had been an hour before their future was destroyed would do.
A great number of Australian workers gave up part of a wages rise or won as an extra payment 24/7 insurance.
A reforming ALP could have considered a cost saving for every one, and better payments for injured workers.
Workers comp, think about a new system.
Let employees and bosses fund it.
Tell me how unfair it would be, but then tell me as a victim of work ending injury.
If the boss and workers contributed to issuance, maybe funds for best practice competition.
If after prof work life was ended we could continue to pay wages , let the damages be worked out by others.
But fair go at work is in every ones interest.
The saddest, most dreadful, part of this debate it is the fraudsters and thieves who make people like Gillard inflict this rubbish on workers.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 5:07:04 PM
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*One group of unions would sell their mums for cash, and do miss use the system.*

Well that is my point Belly. That is all I am focussing on. That
part is clearly wrong and needs changing in NSW.

As a matter of principle, we are innocent until proven guilty in
Australia. That is the basis of the legal system.

No law should let some unions rort the system to fill their
own coffers.

The local worksafe bloke once told me of an example in NSW.
This bloke owned a station and a couple of the guys went off to
count the cattle in the 4wd. They tipped it over and one of them
was killed.

The owner was hauled before the courts, found guilty and fined
hundreds of thousands. His employees had not been wearing their
seatbelts and had not been sent to do an accredited 4wd course
it seems.

Belly, farm workers do all sorts of things, something different
every day. If they had to be sent to do accredited courses each
time they did a new job, they would spend their lives going to
courses and get nothing done.

A little bit of common sense in all this, would be welcome.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 5:33:06 PM
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