Those that argue that some are born as homosexuals are left with the dilemma that some are also born with a bent towards kids. You can't argue one without the other. Then again secularism is full of hypocritical holes.

Where's the "dilemma"?

Some people ARE born with a whole lot of predilections.

That's life.

*What you're clearly 'implying' Yabbs is that mothers determine the gay sexual orientation of their children because of stress while pregnant. You're blaming mothers.*

I am doing no such thing. Mothers are in fact blameless, because
they have no control or even knowledge in the most part, of
their endocrine systems. Nor do they commonly have control of
the amount the stress and trauma in their lives, if others
inflict it.

Before spouting off and smartarsing Rudy, perhaps you should go
and read what was written about the topic in the original literature
that I quoted. Or at least try to think before you comment.

Nice "try" at getting out of the hole you dug for yourself Yabbs.

You're implying that mums are to blame. You quoted the East German rat experiment, extrapolated that to your "PC" comment, and by inference implied that the mother's stress during pregnancy results in gay children. Blaming the mother, blaming her biology, blaming her ability to cope because of stress. You're blaming, blaming, blaming the mother, mother, mother.

Ah Rudy, this is what happens when schoolkids like yourself
jump to conclusions, before informing themselves properly.

If you'd read the information, you'd know why there was a PC
problem. It had nothing at all to do with the mothers.
But it did have something to do with experiments conducted in
East Germany. conducting human trials might have been acceptable
in East Germany, but not in the West.

I've explained the rest, but its clearly over your head. Fair
enough, that is your problem.

If you want to quote the 21st century and science rudy, at
least inform yourself about the information available.

But Rudy, by saying "Some people ARE born with a whole lot of predilections", who are you blaming?