Diversity also seems to be failing in France (Roma/Burka), USA (Arizona/WTC mosque), Britain (Rise of anti-immigration parties) and Holland (Geert Wilders).

Should Australia continue to have multiculturalism as its top domestic policy as comparable nations begin to move towards a more united, patriotic and traditional focus?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/multiculturalism-in-germany-has-failed-says-chancellor-20101017-16p7h.html?autostart=1

I think the governments of these nations failed multiculturalism. Facist political correctness has got in the road of common sense and the national identity.

TRUTHNOW78,
again, Germany's vision is generations ahead of the rest. We'll probably experience yet another ganging up against her by the clever Allieds who constantly promote doomed social engineering. Shouldn't be too long before we see signs (literally) to that effect here.

Migrant people have AU born kids. These kids are no different than any one else are they.
I will say that islamic people would be better off in their own safe country. They have mingling issues, which don't seem to go away.

It is easy to understand the glee with which Chancellor Merkel's (translated) remarks have been received by the xenophobes. After all, she is only saying what they have been saying for so long, isn't she?

Well, isn't she?

Perhaps not. Or not entirely.

Germany has not been the world's friendliest destination for foreigners over the years. For quite some time, the bulk of immigrants were Turkish Gastarbeiter, the literal translation of which is "guest worker".

(Significantly, its predecessor term was Fremdarbeiter, "foreign worker", used to describe the slave labour imported during WWII.)

They were allowed to work there - in the menial jobs, of course - but were not expected to hang around. This was prevalent in the 60s and 70s, as Germany went through its major post-war expansion.

These folk (there were other national groupings as well as Turks) tended to live in the same neighbourhood. Hardly surprising, since their presence was barely tolerated by the natives.

So in her own language, and to her own people, Merkel was saying that history showed that this approach has not worked. In other words, her definition of "Multikulti" and, say Boaz' definition of "multi-culti" are like chalk and cheese.

Germany has never attempted to implement policies that favour immigrants. In fact, they have actively rejected any such approach. So their admission of failure is an acceptance that they should, actually, be doing more, rather than less, to help immigrants integrate into German society. And in doing so, reduce racial and religious tensions.

The other side of the coin is that she took the opportunity to point out that she and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan had each pledged to do more to improve integration of the Turkish communities.

And one of the measures was for both the Mr Erdogan, and President Abdullah Gul, to urge them all to learn German.

Sensible policy. But describing this, as TRUTHNOW78 does in the opening post as "diversity... seems to be failing" is patently inaccurate.

Pericles... whatever you do, don't mention 'the war'.

I must say that I was wondering how the great German experiment in social cleansing would fit into her statement but does this count as a Godwins Law example?

But what about the French and their Gypsy purges today?

And when I go to the UK they are all up in arms about the Poles 'taking all the work' (but at least Poles turn up to do it, unlike the natives there).

I'm not convinced that Australia is really a happily multi-cultural nation either, once the official hooplah about it is overlooked.

Quote:
Angela Merkel says multiculturalism has utterly failed.

So whats news ?

All this shows what a success multiculturalism has been. Because it's been so successful, it's really, really pissed off the the xenophobes, the racists, the intolerant and the bigoted. So all they can do is protest and whine, whine, whine about it. Their noise to logic factor is about 100 to 1. They are a MINORITY. An irrelevant minority, in a changing world.

Rudy says it all really.

Foreign borne minorities must be supported, at all costs.

Locally born minorities, [although I don't agree that is the fact], can be denigrated & ignored.

No wonder some of us are against excessive rates of migration, & the Rudy's of this world.

Perilously close to propoganda there P... "just enough" truth to make your left leaning spin seem credible.

ANALYSIS (further)

** "They were allowed to work there - in the menial jobs, of course - but were not expected to hang around."

BUT...THEY DID. and there is the key to Germany not 'doing much' for them.

Then this:

//These folk (there were other national groupings as well as Turks) tended to live in the same neighbourhood. Hardly surprising, since their presence was barely tolerated by the natives.//

Amazing stuff indeed.

The Ghettoization of Muslims/Turks in Germany has resulted in the most dark, evil and horrendous consequences for German/white minorities in those areas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvpnDFIo9xA&has_verified=1

Slap those young punks in Auschwitz for a few months.. might remind them of how it CAN be for minorities if the majority desire it so.

How you can even THINK of rationalizing this disgusting brutality and attitude...is beyond me.. but that you imply that it's Germany's fault is simply mind boggling.

Toward the end of the video it hints that the Turks don't see a future for them..hence the "My future is burglaries and robberies every day" comment but I refer you back to....** above.

I just love it when you go off on a rant about a topic of which you know nothing, Boaz.

Less than nothing, in this case.

I have worked in Berlin. Coincidentally, I also lived for a while in the very suburb that was the subject of your carefully selected YouTube video. It was no different to living in any area predominantly populated by the underprivileged. Slummy.

But everyone in the media knows that is the easiest thing in the world to get a bunch of hormone-filled, adolescent lads - of any nationality - to play hard-man in front of a camera. Have a word with someone from ACA or Today Tonight, if you don't believe me.

>>The Ghettoization of Muslims/Turks in Germany has resulted in the most dark, evil and horrendous consequences for German/white minorities in those areas.<<

Oh dear. Such drama. And so wrong.

Boaz, do some research yourself on the history of Gastarbeiter. Then you might be able to discuss cause and effect in a somewhat less hysterical manner.

>>How you can even THINK of rationalizing this disgusting brutality and attitude...is beyond me.. but that you imply that it's Germany's fault is simply mind boggling.<<

Nowhere do I "rationalize" brutality, Boaz. Don't be such a girl. In any event, you entirely missed the point that I was making.

Once again, the fact is that Chancellor Merkel's definition of the "Multikulti" that has failed, is vastly different from the "multi-culti" that you rave against. You complain that our government bends over backwards for immigrants, to help them preserve their own cultures. Merkel is simply pointing out that they have done nothing at all in this area.

Now she is working with the government of the "original owners" of these people, to help them become integrated into German society. Instead of doing as you suggested, which is to "slap those young punks in Auschwitz for a few months"

I've also been to Auschwitz, by the way.

Have you?

Actually, I know you haven't. No-one who has done so would ever, even frivolously, suggest such a thing.

Al is informed by what he reads on the religious right wing websites from America.

Migrant people have AU born kids. These kids are no different than any one else are they.
579,
May I suggest you start looking around with a little more scrutiny ?
Migrant people's children born in Europe are bonafide citizens of the countries which adopted their parents. Many of them are striving to get into the Public Service/Government & now there they're gradually acting out & bringing to fruition the desires of their parents.
Unfortunately, the instant gratification seeking western baby boomers are incapable of sensing the long-term agenda of the pseudo migrants.

It's amazing- some politician makes an empty speech to win voters and introduces a language class, and so many people here are treating it like a decisive victory that turned the tides of the war!

It reminded me of Peter Costello- whether or not you are for or against, will note that he never raised a single finger in any direction for any remotely multicultural policy- but boy did he say that award-winning speech one time about 'accepting our values or leave'!

Some people are just so desperate to find something to pin their hopes on that something so trivial and inconsequential probably had them dancing and cheering.

And I assure you this does not stop at anti-multiculturalists and cultural statements by parliamentarians- but applies all across the board- wishy-washy speeches seem to get similar results by people too stupid to realize the politician talking is probably just as right-wing in mind (but failing to corner a conservative market).

King Hazza,
I can not speak for others but my personal experience has been that it's hardly ever the people of the host nation who are anti multiculture. It's been my experience that it is the majority of migrants who aren't happy with the responsibilities expected of them by the hosts. I was quite contend when I arrived here but not long after my fellow migrants started to get it too good'n easy & started to force the habits which they claim to have escaped from in the first place onto australian society. If we truly want multiculturalism to work as a society then let's build multiculturalism here & not accept the cheap imports which are vastly not genuine anyway. Forgive my ignorance but if I hated my existence so much that I decide to leave a place then why on earth would I want to take those idiocies with me ? The mind boggles !

It's an obvious phenomenon that all extremist right-wing parties around the world use racial and religious intolerance to advance their own causes and Germany is no exception.

The significance is that they don't just target extremist groups - they use blanket coverage to include everyone in those groups.

Germany used similar sentiments about a generation ago and that didn't end very well, did it?

It's an obvious phenomenon that all extremist right-wing parties around the world use racial and religious intolerance to advance their own causes and Germany is no exception.
wobbles,
do you just not know or did you make a typo when you wrote right-wing because it should read left-wing !

wobbles:> Germany used similar sentiments about a generation ago and that didn't end very well, did it?<

Wobbles this is a simple and obvious observation that is incorrect to the tune of 180 degrees.

The Jews had their judicial and legal rights as citizens suspended, they could not vote, they were excluded from the education system, they were excluded form public health care, they were excluded from professions, they could not practice their faith, they could not own land, they could not own businesses, they could not travel freely, they could not marry Arians, and finally they were murdered by the machinery of the State.

Whereas with the immigrants that Merkel is whinging about all these rights are in place plus a positive discrimination climate from the State, fostered by the bull dust protocols that the U.N. has most first world nations signed up for. These immigrants have rejected the overtones to multiculturalism that German society adopted to accommodate them. We cannot lay the blame at the feet of the immigrants or the Arians because the religious and cultural divide is too wide for either party to overcome, this social experiment is fifty years old and has failed in EVERY first world country it was foisted upon.

Finally to intimate that the sins of a generation whose youngest participants are now in their late eighties bear any relevance to the current generation stinks of the discrimination you assign to others. You write the words but they are meaningless because your reasoning is simplistic and flawed.

I actually would be inclined to agree with you Individual.

My point was directed at the overjoy of a politician merely making a speech- just like Peter Costello (or Malcolm Turnbull on other issues).

We get lost, totally lost in threads such as this.
Insults fly, heated name calling, the word xenophobic is let fly by some who may even not understand it.
Germany will always feed thoughts of a war that has been over a very long time.
Yet we fearfully tread around the questions very heart.
We are afraid to say it.
Multiculturalism has built America and help Australia.
Be honest it is fear of Muslim Migration ,a religion that frightens us.
And now I will be called a xenophobic red neck, so be it.
No religion should have anything to do with governing, ruling, or controlling humanity.

A fair point Belly.

Dear Pericles.. isn't it good that we can express diverse opinions ?

Your's tends to be a 'minimalist' approach and you have your own reasons for this.

You said:

"I have worked in Berlin. Coincidentally, I also lived for a while in the very suburb that was the subject of your carefully selected YouTube video. It was no different to living in any area predominantly populated by the underprivileged. Slummy."

and of course you went to the school concerned and discussed the situation with the teachers ...right?

That vid was not about communal violence at the adult level, it was at the youth level which is not the kind of thing you would see I suspect unless you went out doing some research about it.

Have you spoken to the police about this ? Have you seen survey evidence? Have you spoken to young Germans lads about it ?

Current Affair actually DID the thing you spoke of..they paid some migrant youth to wear masks and do the "we are a tough Broady gang" thing in a subway. How do I know ? I had email contact with one of them via youtube. That was very very different to the incidents you saw in the vid.
The only other place locally I've seen such hatred against whites is during Cronulla from lebanese who screamed from cars "We're gonna rape your mother".. and we know that in their case it ainst just words..now don't we.

Have you seen police footage of interviews of youthful lebanese thugs?
Have you compared that to similar footage of Australian crims?
I think you need to flesh out your education a bit more mate.

Boazy I can not take you on face value, yes your points in that last post are true but my concerns are too.
Your brand of Christianity is as much a danger to world peace as any other.
I too want to highlight the Catholic Church has far too much control, and far too many sins.
Yet again I ask how many of us fear the results of multi culturism before 9/11?
I still firmly stand against Muslim separatism driven by belief in a God That while non existent breeds the need to separate humanity.

Agreed again Belly, took the words straight from my mouth, this is rather unusual!

There's just as much a clash of civilizations in America between the secular portions of the population and the teabaggers as there is between the secularists and religionists in Turkey, as there are between fundamentalist Muslims and the West.

<<There's just as much a clash of civilizations in America between the secular portions of the population and the teabaggers as there is between the secularists and religionists in Turkey, as there are between fundamentalist Muslims and the West.>>

Very astute analysis and accurate analogy.

This must explain why Tea Partiers are strapping on suicide vests and flying passenger airliners into skyscrapers while fundamentalist Muslims are peacefully demonstrating in front of their halls of democracy.

Oh you got me Proxy- I'm really one of those Shariah apologists, as you can clearly tell by my tone in every other post I made where I clearly state my hostility towards such people.

Because a person who doesn't like fundamentalist muslims cannot possibly be a secularist who also dislike fundamentalist Christians either, and like both to be held at arms length and have no say in my life, right?

And of course, we can ONLY worry about Fundamentalist Muslims in our society proposing a Shariah state, if they blow things up, and for nothing else, right?

KH watch it! you and I are bound for the red necks box in the corner.
I can not back away from my truly held belief, in this case those who say we are being racist are blind.
My concern is the way some act because of a religion not race.
Culture based on a belief not race.
I think however multi culturism works, for most of us.
Honesty demands I say openly those I served, [I am no longer a union official] think as I do fear as I do and that is not racism, why give up our culture?

Actually Belly we would sit outside convenient stereotypes that people could normally apply someone, whether for Mikk, who assumes that people that have a problem with fundamentalist Islam or demand strict entry requirements are redneck bible-thumping Christian neocons, and on the other side, Proxy who assumes that anyone who has a problem with fundamentalist Christians is some soft-left liberal who loves Islam.

In short, people who buy into the whole notion that there are two political ideology groups and people must ally-up into one or the other (based entirely, of course, on the Liberal and Conservative stereotypes held in America and who THEY would likely support or oppose are sorted to either side accordingly), and can't make sense of someone who is capable of independent thought.

Hi Hazza

err you don't need to "only" worry about Muslims if they blow stuff up...but I suggest you might worry 'more' about them than Christians or tea partiers who don't.

To see the stark difference between say Beck's audience and the secular, socialist,union types.. just look at the MESS the filthy disgusting, disgraceful MESS left by the highly politicized socialist rally after Becks. I mean... rubbish EVery where..

Contrast that with Becks restoring Honour rally... not even a minti wrapper left...and NO SIGNS... You have black and white and hispanic... united in one cause RESTORING HONOUR to America.

An historic moment for sure.

Perfect Pitch :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9_bP219ehQ&feature=related

Tea Party response to multiculturalism

TEA PARTY RACIST... oh the shame...

how can 'multi' culturalism surive those racists eh ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CLPhz0DHM&feature=related

Boazy while I sail near your path on this subject I feel dirty in saying so.
I have nothing in common with you ,in fact your red neck right wing Christian stance repels me.
But so too the leftist cuddle my enemy type do too.
I want you to tell me do you really think post ww2 migration failed?
Is it not true that American influx years before made it the strong country that helped win two world wars?
Water does not mix with fire, reildgions bring devision not race.
Yes we are all some times racist but this thread like it or not, is about religion,about one group thinking the majority are lessor beings because they follow a different God.

One of your problems, Boaz, is that you are so very easily led.

>>That vid was not about communal violence at the adult level, it was at the youth level which is not the kind of thing you would see I suspect unless you went out doing some research about it.<<

Your immediate assumption is that it was a carefully-researched, unbiased, objective documentary with absolutely no political axe to grind. You ignore completely that it might have been a TV beat-up, as occasionally performed here (rather amateurishly) by Today Tonight and ACA.

See what I mean about being easily led?

You pontificate endlessly about stuff that you know little about. And the little that you do know has been drawn from your chosen scaremongering web sites and shock-jock commentators. And you never, ever check your facts, as I have pointed out to you on multiple occasions.

See what I mean about being easily led?

>>The only other place locally I've seen such hatred against whites is during Cronulla<<

That's becoming very old hat. Boaz. How long ago was Cronulla? How many people were injured? How often has it been repeated or copied elsewhere?

This all has its roots in your unfailing ability to generalize from the particular - as my old Latin master would say, a dicto simpliciter ad dictum secundum quid.

It goes like this.

"Some Lebanese guy shouted insults out of a car window, therefore all Lebanese are bent on destroying our civilization"

"Some Jewish and Muslim communities are in favour of using religious tribunals for arbitration on social issues, therefore we are all subject to Sharia Law"

And your favourite:

"Some verses in the Qur'an can be interpreted to say kill all Christians, therefore all Muslims will shortly murder us in our beds"

I am aware that this is your sole method of argument. But you really should think about the damage all this hatred is causing you.

It can't be healthy, you know.

Boaz you just gave me a very good reason to fear the conservative Christian movement;

So I will rephrase my statement;

I fear fundamentalist Muslims and Christians and find them incompatible with Western society- but having said that, I fear the tiny fundie-Muslim minority slightly more than the somewhat larger fundi-Christian one because the Muslims bomb and murder MORE Westerners than the Christians do.

Better?