Stern8, wow just wondering if you had any more to add to that lot, great serve.

Nairbe your thoughts every one of them I share.
Now King Hazza I think is a green, rather left of reality one at that.
Others rant, that is what it is,about corrupt Labor.
Dysfunctional, lost,unfocused,wrong people in charge,even a few total corrupt thieves yes to all.
I look for better out comes from NSW ALP, after the train wreck they have created.
Look and the recent English elections, we all know it had to come.
But look at Labor there now, in front in polling and renewed.
Mr who is he sits and gloats, last election a different man was coalition leader, he had more talent but he lost Labor did not win, that election.
This time, in the back rooms of the ALP a few convince themselves they can bank on conservatives to give this one away.
Face it, if every conservative in NSW ran his/her election campaign from a beach in Bali while drunk they would still win, clearly.
From the bottom of the dam it dug its self Labor will, believe me raise up to make it a one term government.
This impending thrashing of my team is healthy,for them me, democracy and my states future.
Greens? 6 years seems about right what is going to be the next new growing force in Australian politics?, after greens or is it after Brown?

I don't know about one term Belly, that is a lot to ask and would require the coalition to really stuff it up big time. I would be more inclined to say two terms would be needed to rebuild the talent pool to a point where the electorate forget the last 4 years.
As for the greens, well it remains to be seen. If they perform they may well be around for a long time, the party will of course do a democrats once Bob Brown retires and rip themselves to pieces fighting for the spoils. The other side is that they are unable to compromise with the government and we end up at an early election for which they will be punished hard by the electorate. We all love an idealist but we require our politicians to be able to know when compromise is needed. The greens don't have a good track record of this in the past and it is questionable if they can manage it now. I am happy to be wrong though as it would stir up Australian politics just nicely.

You lot talk as if corruption was the name of the game, what sort of corruption are you referring to.
Private enterprise will always run a more efficent company than any govt; will. Isn't that what it is all about, private. If the govt runs to much they get accused of being socialist.
Vic is a much better place after the power and a host of other govt run enterprises were sold off. "But it will take a few years to settle down " By the time march comes around it may be a different game. I have no problem with the odd green getting in here and there, we have tried the other way long enough. The libs are tooo much commerse orientated, and the normal people get left behind.
May be you should put your self forward as a candidate instead of being highly critical,

Politicians are like nappys...they should be changed often, and for the same reason.

Niarbe- the nature of both parties jumping into the neo-liberalist mindset over the years still places NSW LAbor clearly in the right spectrum- just because they're still moderate compared to Menzies does not do them much credit.

And no, I'm not too thrilled with the Liberals who have not taken a clear stance against Privatisation or any of the other unpopular and detrimental policies beyond vague non-binding complaints, nor so hot on the Greens (on one hand (or faction within the party), they have a clear anti-corruption/anti-privatization platform- there would be members however that would not mind processes that would enforce 'greener' policies, I would not deny that;

But either which way, every rotation this party has gone through since it got in has been rotten and simply cannot be allowed to govern, and the above two options simply do not alarm me as much as they worse either could do is simply follow Labor's actions.