http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/dog.html

http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/cat.html

Now don't tell me that that human existence is beneficial for the world

Nicnoto.

It gets worse. It seems man-kind has a lot to answer for.

http://thedailyfix.com/2010/03/08/the-cove-is-about-brutal-dolphin-murder-japan-doesnt-care/

http://jahtruth.net/envird.htm

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,5861377,00.html

Man will eat this planet alive.

Just watch the next 20 years.

All I will be saying

I told you so.

TTM

It's not just the abuse of animals that's the problem - what about the abuse of vegetables, like boiling carrots and stuff like that? I used to be a breatharian until I started fretting about my inexcusable exploitation of all that innocent oxygen. Fancy having to go through respiration and ripping reduction all to satisfy unworthy me! Oh why was I ever born? Why can't all mankind just die - surely that would make for a bette world? Whatever will happen to the "the planet"? Oh sinful me, let me mortify my body for the good of my soul with the purging lash!

PJ what a joy your post is!
reality shining in the midst of darkness and fun too!

What a truly weird concept, Nicnoto.

>>Now don't tell me that that human existence is beneficial for the world<<

Since when has it been necessary for us to be "beneficial" to the world?

For millennia, we have been kicking and screaming and fighting for survival against world that resisted every step of the way, malevolent and unrelenting.

We had to learn to defend ourselves against all forms of animal predator, on land, in the air and under water. Protect our families from flood, earthquake, volcanoes, tsunamis, meteors, squeezing an existence from the land and learning to feed ourselves from whatever was available.

Now you want us to slink apologetically away, just because a few sleazebags treat animals badly?

Are you aware that humans have a habit of treating each other badly too?

"Local officials assisted in rounding up victims and making suitable places available for their slaughter. Tutsi men, women, children and babies were killed in thousands in schools. They were also killed in churches: some clergy colluded in the crime. The victims, in their last moments alive, were also faced by another appalling fact: their cold-blooded killers were people they knew - neighbours, work-mates, former friends, sometimes even relatives through marriage. Even aid agencies were helpless; having let into compound or hospital people injured or in flight, they were forced to leave them there. Few survived."

http://www.ppu.org.uk/genocide/g_rwanda1.html

If you want to wring your hands about the nastiness of mankind, why choose widdle doggies and fluffy pussycats?

Get a grip. We are immensely fortunate, just to be alive. Don't waste it on feeling sorry for yourself.

"Are you aware that humans have a habit of treating each other badly too?"

No I am completely ignorant to that fact. Instead of spending a good five minutes attempting to belittle my obvious disgust in animal cruelty. Try showing a little compassion.

I am aware of the horrifying acts men commit upon each other and I am equally disgusted in it. Unfortunately I didn't have the time to attach links to genocide and napalm effects. I can't see how the fact that I didn't do that warrants your displeased response.

Obviously I have offended you.

"If you want to wring your hands about the nastiness of mankind, why choose widdle doggies and fluffy pussycats?"

There were too many examples to chose from. This concerns my chosen profession.

Get a grip. We are immensely fortunate, just to be alive. Don't waste it on feeling sorry for yourself"

Yes. Because it is myself I am feeling sorry for. Oh poor me! the animals are being tortured. The self pitty is overwhelming, wait...no, that's compassion for other life. I can see how that is confusing.

You get a grip.

Peter Hume

If you actually took time to look at the photos I don't think you would use overexertion in an attempt to mock the seriousness or my concern regarding of the content.

I am aware that there are what people label more important acts of cruelty being displayed among humanity.
But I chose animal cruelty as this threads reference to the incomprehensible acts of mankind.

I stumbled upon the website by accident and my emotions led to this thread and the desire to end the human existence if given the chance. I am young, and I am coming to terms with the pain in the world. I don't shake it off easily and I would appreciate some understanding.

Stop arguing... We are all the same species. We need to learn how to work together to bring our planet together.

Yes the humans have done the most damage. We were one of the last species to evolve, and also the ones that has done the most damage to our planet. Humans have a lot that the other species do not have. Revenge, greed, control, selfish, the worse I would have to say is the fact that we are never happy.. Even when it's a bed of roses, We still want MORE.

Peter H: Breatharians..have not had a good success rate.. so please think about it before you decide to be one.

There is so much more out there.. that we need to learn, discover, and accept. If the we keep this up.. out planet will not have the resources to accommodate us. How do we change it. That is my problem.

In South Australia the government killed 800 'feral' deer in a cull by helicopter. More culls will be conducted as they always are. Yet this important pesticide-free food resource is wasted, left to rot on the ground.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/deer-destroyed-in-10-day-blitz/story-e6frea83-1225932538226

Similarly, governments in other states would prefer to conduct such 'blitzes', or poison unwanted animals with 1080, a vile poison, because animals rights and animal liberationists zealots are opposed to the traditional hunting that not only controls 'feral' species for free and can even rake in income for government and sees deer meat, skins and other by products used rather than dumped.

1080 - http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/1080-poisoning-paradise-great-new-zealand-ecocide/209/24450

There are circumstances where 1080 could be the last resort, but it continues to be used in huge quantities in Australia and NZ.

The other very important consideration is that recreational hunting can give life to country towns that are presently closing shop through the loss of meatworks, agricultural re-structuring and a so on. The potential value of the hunting tourism from both local and international guests is phenomenal and the benefits spread across all of the region where they are welcomed. It is the foolish intransigence of misled activists that blocks development.

Incredible as it might seem, the Greens' Lee Rhiannon is a strong opponent of the NSW Game Council and has called for it to be disbanded, despite savings to government, the valuable trade it brings to local communities and the use of meat and other products that would otherwise be wasted in culls, mostly with 1080.

http://www.gamecouncil.nsw.gov.au/

It is distressing to see photographs of cats and dogs being slaughtered in Asian countries for much-needed protein, but what about the cruelty and vandalism of federal and State government 1080 culling with carcases of deer and wild pig left to rot?

Nicnoto,

Respect!

I am deeply sad about the cruelty towards dogs and other creatures but also heartened to see your post and your smart, sincere and decent comments. There are too few advocates.

IMO the difference between being cruel to other humans and being cruel to other species is a matter of pecking order. The most vulnerable and despicably treated human will still be treated better than any animal or at least be generally regarded as having a more legitimate claim to better treatment.

Even where animals are farmed for food, it is possible to give them a decent life and then kill them kindly and quickly. I can't understand why in the process of farming some people become so callous; to the point of inflicting unnecessary pain.

The way that humans treat other creatures reflects our propensity for goodness, peace and even good citizenship.

I hope you don't become jaded and hardened and cynical. Please keep caring.

Just because in western culture dogs are pets, butchering dogs is terrible. However, it is fine to munch on chicken, beef, lamb etc because they are not so cute?

It will be great when mankind is dead our author will be able to,oh no he will not be there will he?
Lets have a group cuddle!

SM and Belly,

Look at the pictures.

Most people would be fully aware that cultural practices differ and help dictate choices about what creatures will go to the cooking pot.

However, even if a creature is destined for the table, there is no excuse for causing additional distress and cruelty.

Also, there are cases noted there where the animals were not killed for food.

I've farmed and my maternal relatives are largely farmers and graziers. Animals enjoy stress free, calm lives. On my farm we did our own killing and moved the animal away from the others. The end was fast and hopefully pain free.

Unnecessary barbarity in our culture doesn't justify cruelty anywhere else. We have it in our power to change the lot. It's a matter of choosing to be humane or choosing to be savage.

The other day my two cats caught a mouse in the yard. They spent the next 20 minutes playing badminton with the poor creature. When it was so stuffed that it wouldn't play anymore, they proceeded to tear it apart from limb to limb and then ate it. The week before it was a sparrow, having its wing feathers plucked ensured it couldn't fly away, they had a ball and it was funny watching them :)

Now don't tell me that feline existence is beneficial for the world.

No offence taken, Nicnoto, let me reassure you.

>>Obviously I have offended you<<

But it's easy to see how the confusion arose.

>>The self pitty is overwhelming, wait...no, that's compassion for other life. I can see how that is confusing.<<

You were bewailing man's failure to live up to what you perceive as obligations to the planet.

>>..don't tell me that that human existence is beneficial for the world<<

I suppose you could describe that more accurately as self-loathing. "Oh, what wretched human beings we are, we don't deserve this wonderful planet of ours, how utterly horrid we are". Which is not a particularly good look either.

On the other hand, it is probably more likely that you were simply employing a dramatic device, designed to draw attention to how wonderfully warm and compassionate you were to the plight of a few widdle doggies and fluffy pussycats.

>>I am aware of the horrifying acts men commit upon each other and I am equally disgusted in it.<<

"Equally disgusted"?

Well, that's all right then.

No animal should have to endure suffering whether it be farmed animals or fluffy pets.

Cultural differences mean diet may differ from one country to another. It is not about that, it is about doing minimal harm to an animal that we eat, allowing it to live a reasonable life and receive a quick or painless death. These very human values should not be easily dismissed in regard to treatment of animals.

An animal feels pain - it is abhorrent to think than a human being can inflict pain on another living being - human or otherwise.

Comparing it to breatharianism (oxygen feels no pain) is to exaggerate the situation and diminish the seriousness of the issue raised; but why let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Maybe some veggies,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrpqAnYEDpk

A tasteful (sic) way of putting the begging bowl out to the easily led, goes well with the caged nudes outside Maccas.

Do they actually 'save' animals? Not necessarily according to allegations in the US,

http://www.newsweek.com/2008/04/27/peta-and-euthanasia.html

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

Thank you all for your understanding and point of views.

Pericles

I wanted to bring the pictures to the attention of the forum because they sicken me. THESE pictures were just one example.
For those who post "but this is worse" examples, in my point of view there is no justification, and to suggest that these particular cases of animal cruelty should not be felt for (or my expression dulled) because worse things happen, is disrespectful, ignorant and part of the problem.
"Now don't tell me that that human existence is beneficial for the world"
Human beings can be, but we're not. We have the ability to flip the coin and do good but we're still as selfish as ever. I don't see the connection to self loathing. I loath the people who hurt to feel good (one example)

Perhaps my initial post should have read "Why the unnecessary cruelty?"

Take from this thread what you will. Justify my responses how you will, I don't care. It seems few people understand but at least thats a start.

RawMustard

The difference is nature. Humans have a wonderful ability to feel compassion and they know better. Although some people don't employ that ability. The fact that you find humor in an animal being slowly torn apart when you can end its suffering is deeply concerning. People with this point of view will always exist, it's frustrating.

"""The difference is nature"""

That's it, it's nature, get over it!

Be thankful that you live in a country that's its people are a little bit more civilized, read that again - its people, unlike its government.

So don't buy things from countries that don't live up to your standards which by the way, that computer your using to access this forum comes from such a country!

You could also demand your government stop treating people like this instead of damning the whole human race!

Nicnoto: The pictures are beyond disgusting and I have seen and watched worse. I was in the moment when the JE virus stuck and killed all those pigs and people, and also other animals. I was there with the photographers. All masked up. Carcasses of pigs and piglets everywhere. The pain the families that lost their family members and income due to this was so painful. I was very young then, never used to think that much.

Maybe you haven't realized, it's not just the pets, most of the fresh produce you see in the shops, do you know where it came from and how they were produced. In england they made this documentary, took a group of normal unhealthy adults who survived on ready, frozen meals and fast food. Took them to a farm where everything was organic. Made them to the harvesting. Made them watch how their meat was getting butchered and treated. This all made them quite sick.

I was brought up to never waste, to recycle. If we couldn't consume it, to feed it to our pets, back into the garden, back into our vegetables, back into us.

THe reason why there are websites like those is to make us aware, that there are people who care enough to want to make a difference with the treatment of animal cruelty. Many have been fighting to stop that. If you are passionate enough about it, do your part to help stop it.

RawMustard

Do you read what is written? Or do you just catch every fourth word or so?
Your way off track.

Thanks Jinny, it does seem that the way to go here is encourage those who care because you can't change those who can't.