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Should Scott Rush Die?

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He fu@ked up and that's the story. Just try and learn from it. What! are we to believe that he didn't know what he was doing...........yeah right! Its like going to a casino, place your bets and spin your wheels.

I feel for him, but we all don't have sh@t for brains stamped on our foreheads.

My last post stands.


TTM
Posted by think than move, Thursday, 30 September 2010 8:50:35 PM
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Not to mention Rehctub, the message it sends to dishonest Australians were the AFP to have taken the alternate approach;
"If you contribute your services to mafia groups overseas, we, the AFP, will actively try to thwart other country's police forces and compromise our chances of preventing you from achieving your objective to commit a crime and bring illegal substances upon your own countrymen, because saving you is more important".
Quite frankly, the AFP are doing a better job of NOT helping corrupt citizens in committing crimes overseas for purely THEIR benefit, but letting them get the harsh full force of the rules of conduct to the benefit of absolutely every other Australian (and Indonesian) by actually helping them combat crime.

And personally the amount of complaining I'm hearing from some about how hard it is to simply NOT go out of your way to do the wrong thing is rather worrying.

Good call by showing the flipside of the "what if it was your kid" argument too.
Posted by King Hazza, Thursday, 30 September 2010 10:31:18 PM
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TTM I have had enough of you, I swear like a drunken sailor some times but you do not need to show me you are rude here in print ace it up.
About this time, maybe a bit earlier the cell doors will open in that Indonesian prison.
Two it may be three young Australians, that is what they are, will be lead to their deaths.
two ran a drug smuggling business, may have the deaths of tens in their minds, may not truly care.
Scott Rush still a kid, will if he dies do so not for drug smuggling but for being a pack horse and a fool.
My idea,harsher non compromising prison terms,give me no bleeding hearts about drug victims, we made them so.
Is an answer rechtub do you truly think punishment for the poor should differ?
Take ALL PROPERTY.
Fund new prisons, it would amount to that much but kill?
We do not kill pedophiles murderers, terrorists we convict, harsh uncompromising law is the answer.
I ask those who talk about death first and last to consider this we can if we wish if we truely act stop drugs.
We kill a few but the true rich often big business men get away free.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 1 October 2010 3:53:52 AM
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Belly, you are simply getting confused here.

We do not kill people here in Aus, nor do most of us want to see them be killed, however, the law over there, with regards to drugs is in plain back and white. You get caught, you face the death penalty. There simply is no grey area.

Now, back to your condemnation of the AFP.

Just imagine if there were an insider within the airline that SR was traveling on and, they managed to hide the drugs and rush was searched here, after being tipped off by the AFP, and not caught with the drugs. Then what!

We would have a shipment of drugs, ready to hit our streets, harm our kids, yet the AFP could have prevented this, only their feeling for this kid/criminal got in the way of their duty.

Remember, a part of the corby defence is that someone within the airline planted the drugs.

Another scenario, a little off track.

Imagine a police officer following a 'P' plater doing 90 in a 70 zone.

Now, assuming the owner is driving, the officer knows he has no prior driving history and, he also knows there is an 80 zone just around the corner.

Q. Should the officer wait until the driver reaches the 80 zone before he makes his move, thus lessening the consequences?

Unfortunately mate, your argument is wafer thin.
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 1 October 2010 5:30:44 AM
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And I'm still not getting the supposed "grey area" of being a mule;
Apparently there is a difference between coming up with the idea (one of the 'ring leaders'), being the first to sign up (the other ring leader), and being a subsequent co-conspirator (Rush and the rest).
They all actually conspired to do a drug run, as they would have needed planning and debriefing to ensure, you know, the shipment was successful; so how exactly does Rush's innocence come into play?

(And then of course there is the "grey area" if you were instead transporting munitions or an explosive device, instead of being the one to plant, or detonate it- which is why we have more than one 'Bali Bomber'.)

And these aside;

Scott Rush is not a "kid"- he is 25 years old, and when he committed the offense he was 19 (adult age).

And all this is irrelevant again because it's Indonesia's laws- which they are following quite fairly, and their right to call the shots;
(and no, I don't care that Saudi Arabia or whatever still stone adulterers, it's not our business- nor, in comparison, the Western-Justice-based system that Indonesia utilizes). Also, being surrounded by impoverished regions with nothing else to do but form contraband mafias, (outside their control unless they cross borders), they don't actually have much choice but to impose harsher penalties than we do (us conveniently being at the end of a death-penalty obstacle course for any drug runners).

And on the note of 'the rich getting away'- funny you should say that, because the countries that have demonstrated otherwise to a better extent than us were either Singapore, or Socialist nations- and the all use/d the death penalty.

All in all, I still don't see the reason why Australia should interfere, or assist crime in that region for the sole purpose of actually protecting the criminal tourists at the expense of actually enforcing our own attempts to combat crime.
Posted by King Hazza, Friday, 1 October 2010 10:04:16 AM
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Belly, these people that get themselves into trouble have other options rather than the one as in the case of this young man. The series like banged up aboard, money was the main driving force for their capture ( and the level of regret after-wards, I have no doubt their sorry and if he was setup,( and some governments do set western people up for just this reason of money ) the only person who really knows is Scott him self.

Like shepelle corbies case and many others, they all cry I WAS SET UP! when caught.

You will see, if you have watched the show, they new what they where doing and a fast buck was the main lure.

But like most second and third world countries, if you have the right amount of money, a deal can be reached but not all will be corrupt.

And NO, killing him wont deter while money and drugs looks more inviting than holding a job.

In today's world, its just mine-field for the gullible and the not so bright.

Like I said, if you play with fire, you will get burned.

And I'll ace up as you put it.

The profanity was un-called for.

If he was a normal holiday maker or what ever, I think this would not of happened.

TTM>
Posted by think than move, Friday, 1 October 2010 1:37:30 PM
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