very much looks like you Pelican and others have also made up their mind to this man's guilt. I certainly have not but it should not stop the facts from being looked at.

runner you clearly did not read my post. I said "the jury is still out" on this particular case. Why do you always defend the alleged perpetrators and heap abuse on the alleged victim when the perpetrator is male and the victim is a woman.

I am speaking in general terms about sexual harrassment. If you really believe this man is innocent that is fine, but I am going to wait for the jury decision and to hear from other complainants.

I bet if the perpetrator was a woman you would be first to put the boot in as your comments are generally anti-woman and pro-men no matter the circumstances.

I believe that when the Kristy Fraser-Kirk
case goes to Court at the end of this month
it will be a jury trial - so all of the facts
will indeed be looked at. However, it's not
looking good for David Jones and its former
chief executive Mark McInnes as more and more
women are coming forward. Another 6 women from
the company will lay claims in addition to
the five women who were earlier included in Kristy
Fraser-Kirk's statement of claim against David Jones.

I worked as a uni student at David Jones in Sydney
a few years ago - and for me there were no problems.
Perhaps I was too naive (or stupid), but no male
staffers made any lewd suggestions to me. On the
contrary, they were all lovely, including my boss -
who was very complimentary - but nothing offensive.

Sexual harassment in the workforce,
as I understand it is any form of
unwelcome sexual attention that is offensive,
humiliating, or intimidating that happens anywhere
you carry out any task for your employment.
And both males and females can be victims.

Luckily, I have experienced it only once in my life,
and that was as a trainee telephonist for a cab company -
when my boss tried unsuccessfully to make a grab for my
breasts.
I was just a student - and scared silly, but a young
taxi driver stepped in and drove me home. I never
returned to that job. I was too embarrassed to report
my boss. I don't know if the young driver did.

I've been fortunate in my employment since then, and
all of my bosses have been gentlemen.

I guess I've been lucky.

Foxy, I didn’t see Insight, but here’s my take on it…

As I understand it, Kristy Fraser-Kirk has been offered a large sum to just drop the action; a sum that is considerably larger than that usually won by legal action taken by people rendered invalid or unable to work as they previously could. She remains uninjured physically and not really significantly damaged mentally, and still fully able to work [From Radio National this morning].

Wouldn’t any sensible person in her position just take the settlement? If not, what is really her motive?

Runner posts an interesting link. From this article:

< Sgt Michael Magill was transferred from the Operational Information Agency to the highway patrol after Ms Fraser-Kirk allegedly claimed he had invaded her personal space, made comments about her handbag and clothes and sent her inappropriate text messages. >

Can’t trust the media to accurately report the circumstances, but if this is true as written, it is hardly any big deal is it, really?

I’ve had much worse impositions placed upon me in my workplace by more senior people who feel that they can act in a manner completely independent of our code of conduct.

Indeed, I worry that this sexual harassment thing is sometimes blown out of all proportion, resulting in essentially innocent red-blooded males being stung, while code of conduct infringements (and the code of conduct is supposed to be the rule book in the workplace) go completely unaddressed, no matter how vehement the complaints might be.

As Pelican says, the definition of sexual harassment is nebulous. This is very important. What it really means, or should mean in law, is that a person CANNOT be busted if they undertake any activities that are in the nebulous zone, and can only be found guilty if they have clearly and unambiguously infringed the rules, and then only in a manner that is genuinely detrimental to the person on the receiving end.

You’ve then got to consider whether there was any ill-intent or whether the alleged perpetrator was actually just flirting with a person that he found attractive, or behaving in what seemed to be a harmless playful manner or a manner that he thought would be complimentary to an attractive young woman.

Another thing to consider: did the alleged victim decisively tell the alleged perpetrator to stop all forms of alleged harassment shortly after they started or at some point after that or at all?

I’m not willing to see Kristy Fraser-Kirk as the victim here without a whole lot more detail, of the sort that us members of the public are not likely to get. It could just be that Mark McInnes is the real victim.

Ludwig, as I wrote earlier the barrister for Mr Mcinnes has stated "some of the conduct which is alleged is not contested". Do you understand what that statement from the barrister means? I would hope you do, but maybe not. Runner certainly doesn't.

Also the case involves SIXTEEN women, not just Kristy Fraser-Kirk.

Also she has stated the damages will go to CHARITY.

Other people have also come forward regarding alleged incidents involving Mr McInnes at a former place of employment. It's also alleged he was reprimanded about 10 times "concerning his inappropriate behaviour, language and approach towards women" while working for Black and Decker from 1989 to 1991.

Taking all this pertinent information into consideration it's a bit ripe for anyone to attack Kristy Fraser-Kirk. But that's our society - - - - some people get offended when women complain that they've been sexually harassed (apparently they're supposed to shut up and cop it). It's a bit like the old "rape" mentality that some people had especially in olden days gone by, when a woman who complained she was raped was often called a sl*t and treated as if SHE was the one who committed a crime.

I'm a man, but I'm ashamed to say that it's usually men who have a bad attitude towards women who have been sexually harassed and complain about it. You see, those women are supposed to take it as a joke and just shut up about it. Well boys, these days women have the right to speak out. And good on them!