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Sexual Harassment in the workforce.
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Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 18 September 2010 2:04:52 PM
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I saw that too Foxy. The definition is a bit nebulous and very individual I gather from what the legal practitioners had to say on the matter.
Sexual harrassment is unwanted attention of a sexual nature and that might differ among a group of people. It comes down to commonsense and reading body language and social cues. The jury is still out on the David Jones case but I personally don't think the amount matters. It brings attention that there are still problems in this regard, particularly in regard to power politics. People pretend that there are avenues for dealing with sexual harrassment but if it is from your boss who might be a CEO or close to the top, the accuser usually has buckleys of getting anything done. There are always grey areas but there are also some pretty obvious cases of harassment that any reasonable person would summise given the facts. I think that is the key as one of the panel suggested - behaviour that any reasonable person would find unwarranted in the workplace. Remember that story about the posh legal firm where there was a painting of a nude woman in the meeting room (a tasteful renaissance style I believe). The female lawyers complained and were made to feel their complaints were invalid. Next week the picture was replaced with a male nude in similar artistic mode and the men complained and in the end the point was made and both paintings were discarded. There is a lot of double standards on this issue. Posted by pelican, Saturday, 18 September 2010 4:48:52 PM
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Seems like Kristy has a track record of complaints
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sunday-telegraph/david-jones-sexual-harassment-accuser-kristy-fraser-kirk-has-a-past-case/story-e6frewt0-1225902509986 Reading this article really does throw quite a few doubts about this woman's credibility. Posted by runner, Saturday, 18 September 2010 4:52:40 PM
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The following link supports Kristy's credibility to an extent that nobody could have any doubt whatsoever that certain things happened. As you can see, the Federal court was told on the 30th August that the case involves SIXTEEN women - - - - - not just Kristy. Plus two women have come forward regarding the behaviour of Mr McInnes at his former workplace.
Also the barrister for Mr McInnes, Tony Meagher FC, said "some of the conduct which is alleged is not contested". Also Kristy has pledged to give the damages received to charity. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/six-more-harassment-claims-made-against-david-jones-ceo-mark-mcinnes/story-e6freuy9-1225911798590 So there you go runner. Maybe you should consider the "facts" more, before you write personally derogatory posts like that. Posted by Jockey, Saturday, 18 September 2010 5:47:06 PM
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Lets be very clear no form of harassment in the workplace should take place.
Sexual is not the only kind, but please believe me some women discriminate by using this old chestnut against enemy's. I know of such claims even one that saw the woman admit she got carried away with personal dislike. A woman who works in a public out door area, and has to watch visitors for rubbish dumping and anti social behavior, has seen very often in daylight hours deviant sexual activity's. She has been told over and again she is homophobic, on warning these people off. So it can be two sided . Last week a woman IR person screamed at me, in a way not man ever would, her male companions both told her my case was just and that she was wrong. Wrong in her stance and wrong to scream like that, but the discrimination thing saw her get away with unacceptable behavior. No one, ever should be judged on what sex they are no one should be targeted and while some of the best in IR are women the very worst are too. Posted by Belly, Saturday, 18 September 2010 5:51:04 PM
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Looks like runner has already made up his mind on the basis of one other complaint while ignoring the numerous complaints that have come out against the David Jones CEO. The other complaint was while working for a police force where harrassment has always been a problem not only for women but for homosexuals.
runner seems to think that you only get one complaint per lifetime and if you get robbed, assaulted or sexually harrassed more than once, you've used up your right to justice. She is an attractive woman - it is entirely possible that she has experienced harrassment more than once. Some people get robbed more than once. It does happen for goodness sake. What ever happened to gentlemanly behaviour and sticking up for women who have been unfairly treated. Sheesh.... Posted by pelican, Saturday, 18 September 2010 6:08:36 PM
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on this topic - and was quite surprised by
the mixed reactions, particularly from women.
Of course the recent case of the biggest sexual
harassment lawsuit, with Kristy Fraser-Kirk filing
$37 million claim against David Jones, where she
had worked as a publicity co-ordinator was brought up.
Many women were detracted by the amount of money,
rather than the issue at stake.
Perhaps, as one person suggested - had she filed for
a smaller amount, the entire matter would have been
either swept under the rug, or settled out of court.
At least this way, the matter has atracted media
attention, and perhaps it's forcing corporate
Australia to take another look at what's going on in
their workplaces.
I'd like poster's views on the subject, as well as a
definition of what people think constitutes,
"sexual harrassment."