Well it didn't take long for the real/real/real little Julie to show up.

Gone are all the promises made in an attempt to con the electorate into voting for her.

We have a new lot of promises, this time to green Brown, also designed to get her into the lodge, but having very little in common with those of last week.

WE now see just what the real Julia is. A desperate, conniving woman, who made her run, & got it wrong. One who knows she's shot her bolt. If she doesn't make it this time, it's all over, & she's out on her backside.

If this woman gets back in, we know she will sell us all for her ego. She is actually be worse than Rudd was, in this respect, if that's possible.

Surely our country independents will see the writing on the wall. Front lady Julia, with puppeteer Brown pulling the strings is where we could end up, if this pair consummate their deal, & they don't stop it.

Hasbeen, we know Julia is a policy wind vane, directed by the polls and the NSW right. Capable of anything, having no scruples and the ability to lie fluently she is what hatched from the Fabianesque uni clubs of the 80's and 90's.

This election is a resounding victory for a coalition written off only months ago. But it is a source of personal despair to me given that we are back to the status quo of a 50/50 split along right and left lines. I say this because the core labor supporter has stuck with the most incompetent and wasteful collection of non performers this country has ever seen. No matter which team failed, identify it as a failed team, retire them for a while and see what they come back with in three years. Not a great deal more to say other than half the population must be simpletons there can be no other reason for the shabby result we see unfolding.

All those complaining about the union influence in the Labor Party, and the Asylum seeker policies of the Liberal party should consider this.

After 1945, the Chifley government found itself in an environment where the US provoked the Cold War against Soviet Union. De-nazification was stopped in Germany and fascists still dominated the police and military in Italy. Chifley locked Australia into the western security web and surrendering national sovereignty to the new intelligence order in Washington. The Australian Labor government was knowingly admitting Nazi war criminals combatants and collaborators as refugees.

Into this country poured the Nazis, protected and used by ASIO to control and monitor the growing migrant groups. Together with the Croatian Ustasha, Hungarian Arrow Cross, Romanian Iron Guard, the SS controlled Slovenian militia. Groups derived from former members of these were organised with the tacit support of the Menzies and successive Liberal governments.

Lyenko Urbanchich ends the almost 70-year political career of the man who invented ethnic branch stacking in Australia. He was also the last, and most powerful, of the central and eastern European Nazi collaborators and war criminals that infiltrated the Liberal Party from the 1950s.
The peak of Urbanchich's success was the formation of the Liberal Ethnic Council.
As council president, he automatically had a seat on the state executive. Other council executive members included his close ally, David Clarke, who learnt ethnic branch stacking techniques from his mentor and today leads the "Uglies" faction established by Urbanchich 40 years ago. The Uglies are the faction that drove John Brogden out of the leadership of the NSW liberal Party and were behind the dumping of Malcolm Turnbull. The Uglies, control up to 30 per cent of the Liberal Party State Council votes and are the power base of Tony Abbot, Bronwyn Bishop and of John Howard Philip Ruddock, and others.

In 1996, Urbanchich and Clarke established the far-right's ironically named "central committee". By 2005 Clarke controlled the NSW state executive, the Young Liberals (in NSW and federally) and the NSW Women's Council.

I don't suppose you could actually state what 'promises' you're whining about, Hasbeen? Otherwise it just sounds like more OLO lunar rightard onanism.

Fair enough if you want to criticise Gillard, Brown or anybody - but this whinge is just too general to warrant serious discussion unless you specify what you're actually bleating about.

Having said that, it seems to be par for the OLO course lately, particularly in the General Forum. If a post is bashing either Labor or the Greens, any pretence at editorial standards goes out the window.

SOG... I was quite impressed with that little snippit about Fabianesque uni clubs !

Tell me more..please..they figure in a number of 'theories' about how both sides of politics are often in the same clubs...

I await :)

I truly would love to know who hasbeen is.
Abbott? sounds like him bluff and bull.
Is he Pyne? maybe Julie Bishop.
Feeble as it is, this thread mirrors and repeats Abbott's silly unfounded statement today.
That Gillard has already broken her first promise, got rid of the stupid, childish peoples forum on environment.
It was is and always will be the stupidest idea put up at an election by Labor.
BUT it is not gone says Julia, in an effort to ward off the conservatives claims she say,s but will change her mind, please, it is not gone.
I find nothing wrong in the two party agreement and thank Gillard for not increasing the lock up of fishing grounds.
I remind the protest voters be it on your head if such as hasbeen run this country.
Hasbeen think about the bloke who said you are a lefty, did he get that wrong, lost yes but left, you may not even have a left hand mate.

I just want to point out that now Labor has, in Tony Abbotts words, formed a coalition with the greens they gained more first preference votes than his coalition. Since this has been one of his catchcrys over the past week will he admit that his claim to government on the strength of first preference votes should transfer to Labor?

There were plenty of misleading lines in the election campaign but the biggest was the outright lies by the Coalition about the debt.

The government, to maintain employment during the GFC, created money by having the Reserve Bank honour cheques written to pay for capital works such as the school buildings. If it owes money, the government owes it to a body the government owns on our behalf, and they do not need to repay it.

In the GFC situation there was no way that the money creation created inflation unlike the situation in the Howard/Costello era when the government permitted excessive creation of money by the banking system and thereby created asset value inflation and, in effect, denied working people the opportunity to buy a home unless both parents worked.

The extreme right is never willing to acknowledge when a government to the left of their own position does a better job than they would have done.

Belly,
Yes the promise was gone, but when someone pointed that out, she
immediately reinstated it.

I noticed the discrepancy and there was only a few hours between the
two statements. You gotta be quick ! Now you see it, now you don't !

Julia Gillard only discards the "non core" promises.

For Labor, the only core promises are those that get them elected next time.

<<Julia Gillard only discards the "non core" promises.>>

Thats rich coming from a tory like you SM.
Despite your efforts no one has forgotten who really stood for "core and non core promises".
I expect Abbott has more than a few non core promises he is planning to drop if he gets in.
Which is looking less and less likely as the Libs implode from their economic illiteracy and war with their partners the nationals.
Watch the return of the mad monk and the rapid dropping of the fake tony persona he has used during the election. He will be back to being the spiteful, negative,naysayer and spoiler he has always been.

I thought so too, mikk.

Wasn't the term "non-core promise" coined to describe John Howard's habit of regularly acting contrary to promises he'd made over several election campaigns?

"Wasn't the term "non-core promise" coined to describe John Howard's habit of regularly acting contrary to promises he'd made over several election campaigns?"

Exactly CJ
Not only that it was Howard that said it. He admitted it as if it was something to be proud of. I wonder what SM said back then?

Stop press.

She's done it again!

She would sell her sole for just one vote.

If ever you are thinking of voting Labor again, you'll have to check out the policies of every other candidate.

It's their policies you are likely to get, no matter how bizarre, not Labour's, if little Julie has anything to do with it.

AGIR I surmise that all of this is known to you, but most Labor supporters I know do not know about the Fabians.

"The Fabian Society is the University of Sydney branch of Australia's oldest left-leaning political think tank which promotes debate about progressive political ideas and public policy reform. Former Prime Ministers, Gough Whitlam, Paul Keating, and Bob Hawke, have all featured as prominent members of the Fabian Society.

The USU Fabian Society is funded by the University of Sydney Union, the oldest and largest student organisation in Australia, which was founded as a university debating society in 1874. From this beginning, USU has grown in strength and scope to promote leadership and intellectual challenge outside the classroom. More than 200 registered clubs and societies are funded and supported by the USU."

and their opposite number:

"The Sydney University Liberal Club (SULC) was established in 1933. The Club engages in policy debates, meetings with MPs and campaigns in student elections to spread the Liberal message, and puts out a biannual magazine entitled Libertas. Many present and former MPs have come through the club, including the former Prime Minister, John Howard."

Al I went to Sydney in the eighties and I went to both clubs semi regularly. The Fabies were idealist dreamers who I always took with a grain of salt excepting their ongoing policy of youth indoctrination that I found a bit Joseph Goebbels like. The Libs were more like a junior Jaycees with little innovative policy discussion and no global socialist policy import that the young socialists adopted without question, the Libs were a rather a status quo seeking corium.

I am not left or right but gold is gold and sheet is sheet and the ability to recognize and vocalize that while identifying spin for spin "was" an endearing trait of the Aussie. Looking back I am not shocked that the reality void Labor leadership failed so miserably, they were faction filled at uni. The Libs were just all the same faction, uninspiring and cautious.

That is what consultation is all about Hasbeen, not taking the high ground but listening to what others have to offer. Gillard could not win with you either way let's be honest.

As opposed to the Coalition's debacale over huge gaps in the costings of their policies - how are they going to explain that one and how do your values differ when it is the Coalition playing silly buggers.

Neither major party is pure as the driven snow, and it is easy to make excuses for exactly the same behaviour in your 'friend' that you despise in your opponent.

Hasbeen: << She would sell her sole for just one vote. >>

Quite possibly, but overall I'm rather hoping she doesn't flounder.

The alternative's a flake :D

<<She would sell her sole for just one vote.>>

I would of voted for her if I knew she was handing out fish. :P

Shadow Minister Hasbeen I wish to thank you both.
We surely all of us owe you a vote of thanks.
In election posts from the very start of this year you both have provided a view of life insides Abbott's circus tent.
Grins, the belly laughs, you have been fun.
Now not quite fair or even close to balanced but fun.
As we limp closer to a result your posts become more unhinged and I have little doubt what ever the outcome you both will continue to provide fun.
May I once more take a stab at who you are.
I like a bet and lean on form as a guide.
Hasbeen are you channeling the flying peanut?
Shadow its clear,sorry I got a bit rude, you are Julie Bishop, or is it Bronwyn?
Her true colors! out standing, if Abbott gets those three his meeting with Brown will see you two brand him red or is it green?
Colorful stuff.

CJ

The termed was coined by Howard, and used prolifically by Rudd.

Belly,

You are becoming incoherent again. Either you are typing too fast, or you neglected your medication.

We shall see next week who is in charge. I note that Bob Katter also asked for the mining tax to be dropped.

Thanks again SM I thought I had seen the last grin out of this thread got a ROF one out of you.
Saw it yesterday but waited to say good one mate.
Now you know, you do don't you? like turning over rocks on an old building site some things say a great deal more than on the surface.
That post of yours gives me great joy, it shows you understand I am more right than wrong in describing your post.

Belly,

Small things amuse small minds.

There has surely got to be a timeline for making a govt; Bob Katter has surely got a screw loose. You have got 3 indapendants in colusion to decide who they are going to go with. The Tasmanian and the green bloke shows real indepandants.

It would be very hard to move forward without a sole.

Allow me to be the first to congratulate julie; for being our next prime minister, and holding her nerve and not making rash expenditure promises. 'well done'

In my view both Julia gillard and tony Abbott should be deemed to have acted unbecoming to be an advisor (Minister of State) to the Governor-General by their conduct to seek to wrestle from the Governor-General who shall form government.
As a CONSTITUTIONALIST I would wish all those posting comments first understood what the constitution really stands for.
See also my website http://www.schorel-hlavka.com and my blog at http://www.scribdd.com/InspectorRiakti (various correspondences to the Governor-General included) and you may just learn that who forms government got absolutely nothing to do with the INDPENDENTS, Greens, etc, because the Governor-General alone determines who shall be commissioned regardless of any majority in the House of Representatives.
E. Barton was commissioned to form a government on 26 December 1900, before the federation existed, and so no Parliament either. Learn what the constitution stands for and you all might just realise you are all conned.
Currently there is not a single Member of the House of Representatives as they are all Members of the House of Representatives designate!
Parliament is to vote on bills not to decide who forms government. That is the job of the Governor-General exercising prerogative powers!

Hoo kan understand constitution. There will be some long faced losers around at the moment.

AU don't have a constitution, that was made for englishmen. AU operates on rafferties rules.