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The Forum > General Discussion > I think we can put these stereotypes to bed now

I think we can put these stereotypes to bed now

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Into the leadup of the election, I have been hearing the usual countless parrot-lines about the various politicians, and of Australian Democracy in general, but three really stuck out for me; Independents are just pro-Labor, and Australian Democracy is "the best in the world" and "ain't broken" to warrant "not fixing".
What I find to be the absolute best outcome of this election is that it's making it really hard for the usual advocates to stick to these points now- if not outright debunking all of them.

1- Australian Democracy's non-brokenness; To be fair, it would depend on what it would actually take before you would consider a system 'broken'. Not getting into the political decisions that we may or may not support at all, or the policy made through partisan thinking (opposition broad-band), or even the Whitlam removal; but I was thinking, surely having NO government simply because the numbers between majors are close and the remaining members *might* pick a side, and can take as long as they want would be pretty close to "broken" don't you think?

2- The best system of democracy in the world. Indeed, so long as you don't count Switzerland, Sweden, Austria and in general, almost every parliamentary democracy in Europe in which if an election were close, or neither party would be in an overall majority, the parties are automatically merged, and they get things DONE. Have a look at any standard of living chart if you don't believe me. Had we have based our governance on any of these other systems we would HAVE a government by now- possibly one that might represent over 45% of the country this time.

3- The independents, after well over a week now, are STILL hung on which side they'll support. Surely if they were as partisan as people would believe they would have just picked Labor at LEAST a week ago?
The problem with this point is, were they to pick LAbor in the end (likely for the Broadband deal), many people will still think they were red inside.

Any thoughts?
Posted by King Hazza, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 10:39:10 AM
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Seeing as you asked. Any thoughts?. Yes, TOTALLY bored with politics.
Posted by StG, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 11:26:12 AM
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Yes Hazza, letís go again in six weeks, the suburban eco warriors may have time to look past the undeliverable eco pipe dreams that drove them to the Greens party, to the deliverable fixed costs to living policies that will be immediate, costly and contribute nothing to cleaning the global environment. Got to get rid of compulsory voting especially seeing the left has indoctrinated the youth vote with warm and fuzzy ideals that serve a global master and not our population.
Posted by sonofgloin, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 3:16:38 PM
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How weak, silly and uninformed king Hazza those who say that are.
These three are just as likely to put Abbott in power as Labor.
Abbott however appears to want another election, and will use greens and these three if he gets it.
All three are ex Nats put in office by ex Nats voters who trust them.
IF they put Labor in power it may cost them their seats.
But who ever they put in it will be seen by blind fools as wrong.
I think they are doing us all a favor, my side needed the kick and if given the chance will get it right.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 5:46:28 PM
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Well, my point is we're one of the only democratic western countries that are incapable of forming a government because of something like this occurring.

And the independents seem rather neutral (and taking their bloody time). I'm arguing against the stereotype that they're actually pro-Labor.
Posted by King Hazza, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 8:07:23 PM
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I think it's a bit naive to expect that these blokes would jump into bed with either of the majors too quickly.

To start with they maximize their bargaining power by making both of then wait a bit. The promise list will be growing daily.

They did not expect to be in this position, so are taking some time to explore just what they can get for their electorates, & with these blokes, that is what they want to do.

They would not be human if they did not like a bit of time in the spotlight.

If they are going for the coalition, they will want some time, [lots of it I would expect] to rub their combined nose in the dirt.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 2 September 2010 11:14:35 AM
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