“Can you recall one medicine ever created which CURED someone?”

Are you suggesting a pharmaceutical company actually engineers their products to perform at a less than optimum level to ensure patients remain dependent upon them?

Often “cure” is not an option. However, “management” and “containment” is.

I think penicillin can cure the gonorrhea but not syphilis. Would you suggest because penicillin fails to cure syphilis that we ignore its contribution to curing the clap?

“What did his doc prescribe for him. . . .?”

My Dad, like the rest of his generation, lacked the benefit of bypass surgery or contemporary medications (such things having only been developed since he passed away).

Would I change from what has been prescribed for me – not in a fit, the anti-cholesterol meds keep my problems under control, the alternative would be to walk around and feel like a time bomb.

“There are charts available explaining in detail disease drop "before vaccinations & after introduction" of same. Can't give you the details where the file is,”

It was your claim

“Building this ‘business with disease’ over the past century,”

To which I asked

“Do you have estimates of average life expectancy had this industry not existed?”

The onus is on you to substantiate your claim, not for me to disprove it. Please provide evidence that pharmaceutical companies have built a business with disease, rather than a business focused on managing disease conditions, where cures for conditions are not available?

400 or 400%, I doubt the reality of your claims. I am an accountant by profession. Talking margins and markups is part of my “stock in trade” and your claims are dependent upon limited costing practices which would exclude the major “fixed costs” or research, development, testing, corporate overhead, business finance and most other charges commonly carried by a pharmaceutical company.

I lost my dad to heart disease in the 1980’s, as I said, his quality of life, as well as its duration would have been significantly enhanced and extended had he had access to the drugs which pharmaceutical companies have developed since his death.

Eftfnc,there is always a bit of truth in any conspiracy theories.I think that modern medicine has missed the point of often treating the sympton rather than the cause.Often the problem is just our lifestyles and environment which many medical practioners ignore because we all want quick fixes without doing a grease and oil change on our own bodies.This means exercise,good food and time for recreation.

Often it is our own impatience and fast lifestyles that gives us short term fixes from the medical profession and the Pharmaceutial Companies just react to our expectations.

Look at proven natural remedies,modern medicine,and lifestyle changes for better health and lifestyles.

Col, one of the points I am trying to make by shoving this article under people's noses is this, the average doctor learns about synthetic medicines from the pharmaceutical co's, they do not learn one iota about natural med's or diets. They are being kept in the dark on purpose and become the equivelant to drugpushers.My own experience:rheumathoid arthritis 15 years ago just as Celebrex (the wonder drug) came out for RA & A sufferers. I got the first pills (pharm rep's gifts) from my doc took them for two years on his recommendation,I finished up with IBS and worse RA.Friend of mine did take them one year longer,finished in hospital with bleeding stomach and was close to death.After 12 years they took them of the market together with Vioxx because they were causing to many deaths and injuries overseas and here. They are US drugs don't forget, made in the US of A and stamped for approval by the FDA and then the TGA.
Now Vioxx is back on the market again approved again by the FDA with a BlackBox warning stating the dangers when taking them.Still they are handed out by...wait for it, the same doctors! Again acting on advice
from BigPharm and the FDA.
Is it dawning in australia yet? Do you know how many doctors have researched natural treatments here in Oz and finished ridiculed and left overseas? Col I can tell you like a good honest argument and I can see you are also the analytical type. I did analyse the article thoroughly and I can't fault it, because there is too much research speaking for the pro's.
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Besides if you are worried about fat intake, I will give you a hint:If you are a red-meat eater, soak and cook your meat in water for 2 minutes to leach out most of the sodium nitrite (not Sod.nitrate)and then fry it in pure butter or coconut oil in a stainless steel pan.Any hydrogenised oil is bad, virgin olive oil for cold salads only. Eat sardines to get the good oils.Stay away from shark or bigger fish (Mercury) Brasil nuts are the best.Dark green vegies,dark red fruits and berries, alkalise your water with coral calcium,drank up to 5 drops (35%H2O2 foodgrade)Hydrogen peroxide mixed in juice or water, had up to 2grams of pure VitC per day in juice. That is what I have done to treat my RA,IBS, Menieres disease,acute sciatica and lowered my blood pressure at the same time and cleaned my system with chlorella and spirulina. There you have it.

Col, I forgot...I put colloidal silver in my milk to make it last a month or more past the use-by date, I treat my family with the same stuff for colds,cuts and any bacteria or virus under the sun.I put it in my dogs drinking water, there is research going on in African hospitals for HIV,birdflu,VD you name it, all with the same colloidal silver!
Vitamins and minerals and water is what we are made of, so to start one could drink 10ml of filtered seawater three times a day for the best and healthiest intake on this planet, because most of our soils have been depleted of the right stuff.Most dis-eases we have come from emotional disturbances from the past and mal-nutrition is starting to take over.

eftfnc “they do not learn one iota about natural med's or diets.”

That sounds like a problem with the medical profession, not the pharmaceutical industry.

Re “Again acting on advice from BigPharm and the FDA.”

Sounds like a problem with FDA

“Most dis-eases we have come from emotional disturbances from the past and mal-nutrition is starting to take over.”

I think things like leprosy, typhus, tuberculosis, malaria, yellow fever, bubonic plague etc. etc. have more to do with physical conditions than “emotional disturbances”.

I would suggest “Most dis-eases we have come from emotional disturbances” is complete rubbish.

Should malnutrition “take over”, it might help counter the effect of all the obese folk who seem to be sprouting up in plague proportions in recent decades.

I find your reasoning lacks credibility.

Oh by the way, I am no friend of big-pharm. Their political lobbying activity and attempts to manipulate patent laws is immoral and not in the interests of the wider community. However, I expect politicians to withstand such partisan interests and remember who elected them in the first place. That, however, is more a problem with politicians.