Fair enough CG,

If you want to engage with me I don't have time to unpack whatever knowledge you have on the topic.

Here is a very small taste of the literature that I've been reading, researching and writing from and about over the last decade.

Fish them out of your local uni library, have a read, have a think, then we can dialogue.

How much fairer could I be? Or didn’t you think this topic required some in depth knowledge, just a coffee-table chit chat, is that what you want?

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• Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Social Justice Commissioner (2003) Social Justice Report 2003, AGPS, Canberra.

• Ah Mat, R (2003) The Moral Case for Indigenous Capitalism. Address to the NTRB ‘Native Title on the Ground’ Conference, Alice Springs, 5 June 2003.

• Altman, JC & Hunter, BH (2004) ‘Monitoring “practical” reconciliation: evidence from the reconciliation decade, 1991–2001’. CAEPR Discussion Paper No.254, Centre for Aboriginal Economic Policy Research, ANU, Canberra.

• Cornell, S (2002) ‘The Importance and Power of Aboriginal Self-Governance: Cowlishaw, G (1998) ‘Erasing culture and race: practising “self-determination”’,Oceania, 68(3): 145–69.

• Dodson, M & Smith, DE (2003) ‘Governance for sustainable development: strategic issues and principles for Aboriginal Australian Communities’. CAEPR Discussion Paper No. 250, ANU, Canberra.

• Finlayson, J (2004) Success in Aboriginal Communities: A Pilot Study, Report prepared for the Australian Collaboration, AIATSIS, Canberra.

• Martin, DF (1995) ‘Money, business and culture: issues for Aboriginal economic policy’. CAEPR Discussion Paper No. 101, Centre for Aboriginal Economic
• Policy Research, ANU, Canberra.
 (2001) ‘Is welfare dependency ‘welfare poison’? An assessment of Noel Pearson’s proposals for Aboriginal welfare reform’. CAEPR Discussion Paper No. 213, Centre for Aboriginal Economic Policy Research, ANU,Canberra.

 (2003) ‘Rethinking the design of Aboriginal organisations: the need for strategicengagement’. CAEPR Discussion Paper No. 248, Centre for Aboriginal Economic Policy Research, ANU, Canberra.

• Martin, DF & Finlayson, JD (1996) ‘Linking self-determination and accountability in Aboriginal organisations’. CAEPR Discussion Paper No. 116, Centre for Aboriginal Economic Policy Research, ANU, Canberra.

Rainier, I knew you had to be more than just a pretty face.

Thank you for that list. It will make interesting reading in the coming months.

I wonder if you know anyone who has researched the outcomes of people from "The stolen generation" and their descendants, and compared them with their contempraries who remained in the tribal areas.

VK3AUU, it would indeed be interesting to see a study that compares both the emotional state with material well-being and achievement as well as health, and also looks at the impact on their children in the same light.

Rainier, thank you for the reading list. Are any of these online? I am more than 200kms from the nearest uni library and not likely to visit in the near future. Whilst I know you can get things posted to you, its a lot of fiddling around when my time is in very short-supply anyway. I'm all for the easiest access method possible!

I guess a lot of my take on things comes from experience and having lived in 5 towns in my reasonably short life (mainly within the kamilaroi and wiradjuri areas, from one end of NSW to the other), and seeing the vastly different interactions between the black and white populations of these towns, and the vastly different situations of the black populations in these towns. This has ranged from middle-class to the bottom of the poverty line. I have worked with people of aboriginal descent and seen their derision for those of their own people who refuse to take on responsibility for themselves. I have lived in towns where my "race" has been in the minority, and have had a face to face confrontation with a black man who wandered into my home uninvited by the back door and abused me for being a white c, as well as having a group of youths try to hijack my car when pulled up in the street (heck, by Amel's standards that would make it understandable for me to be racist). I certainly dont make myself out to be an expert, but at the same time recognise that experience is often better than scholarly reading (yes, bet the postgrad students hate that comment).

vk3auu welcome from vk2bel, rainier lets not get into that rubbish!
Threats and that junk I mean.
You may be the brightest star in the Aboridginal sky but how it it actions of 200 yearts ago that see sexual assults in Aboridginal homes tonight?
At 5 or ten times the rate outside? truth is closer to 50 times national average.
Why do women get flogged in terrable numbers every week all over Australia?
So if us white Australians all left today would it change?
If we never came would it still be unclaimed by others?
If we this very day put one tenth of the nations wealth into your peoples hands as sorry money how long would it take before it was gone?
Not only bleeding hearted white liberals hurt the Aboridginals, some within care more about personal ego than suffering kids.

CG, No worries, racism isn't something you get rid of overnight, its a life long learning approach, i'm still working through my demons too. Its those that think racism is a simplistic thing that infuriate me, if it was we would have got rid of it long ago.

For me, the study of race relations and its theory is the most complex of all social sciences and scholarship because it attends to and exists in all human relations and human history.

I admit i do tend to call 'racism' it out loud, but mostly to draw attention rather than to persecute. I know the pitfalls of the 'boy who cried wolf'.

I'll post you some online reading next post.

VK3AAU,

I'll dig through my research and find something specific to what you asked for.

Cheers to u both,

I again want an answer from Aboridginal posters here, not as a racist but as a grown white Australian male who has often cryed openly over the matter.
How has white invasion bought us to child rape often male on male in this comunity in such large numbers?
Why do so very many females get bashed so very often?
Why are we debateing past crimes but not these dreadfuul ones?
To site admin some threads see some posters limited to 2 posts a day?
Is free speach only for some? like those you agree with?
Rainier lets help these kids FIRST.