Belly>>Work choices rechtub dislikes unions/workers it is so clear in every post.

Ah, Belly, you just keep pushing the same barrow, don’t you.

If only you people knew, or even cared, how business works, you might just get the point.

Now let’s take the factory of 300 employees and that additional $400 grand the boss has just been burdened with by way of the pay rise.

In business you must turn a profit, otherwise, you wouldn’t be there, right?

So, it is only fair that if you have to outlay $400 grand, you should at least get $400 grand back for yourself, otherwise you would be better off placing a bet with better than even money odds, Agree?

Now, to get the $400K for wage rises + your $400K, you have to increase your price by $800K.

Now do you think his customer is going to wear that increase, or, do you think they might seek a cheaper alternative?

This is the problem with simply granting a pay rise for nothing in return. Pay rises must be driven by either productivity or profit gains, otherwise the employer looses out.

Often though, they simply ‘outsource’ wherever possible, which results in less factory jobs, which in turn pays for the pay rise for the remaining staff. And you lot think this is clever governing!

In reply to the first post after mine sorry while I understand your view, and with draw the thought you thought I lied I share only some of your views.
I believe in a spirit, not however a God.
I think we must each of us, take responsibility for our actions, all of them .
I can not bring myself to think we can leave wrong for others or God to fix.
Rechtub must you continue to say I push my own wheel barrow? infer I am blindly following my party line?
Do you remember our conversation in another thread about My views on future IR modifications?
Do you understand those views are different from my fellow unionists?
And do you know your slanted and uninformed views about my understanding of small business is wrong.
For a time I owned one employed 5 and all got over award wages.
Every one is a small business selling in the case of a worker time and effort.
Do you want to set your profit but not let them?
Do you understand your multiple shops needs to sell to them to stay in the black.
Rechtub not pulling your chain I just do not think you understand much at all.

*Rehtub* I must say I have a certain degree of sympathy with your position.

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I have a mate in Freo. He runs a kebab shop. Been having trouble with the local grommits smashing up the furniture out the front so there's been talk of putting in some more sturdy stuff mounted in the concrete as an alternative.

Anyway, rumor suggests that the grommits are kicking up because they can no longer afford consistent and regular good feeds of kebab.

Reason being, is that the Land Lords have put the price of the shop up to $AU10,000 per month. Yes, that means my buddy has to flog himself to all hours and generally bust his guts AND successfully sell lots and lots of kebabs in order to be able to afford his family.

Hmmm .. so who is letting that sort of carry on go on? I'll tell you. Both the Labour and the Liberal party, who whilst different in their policy and approach, are also 2 sides of the same coin.

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As a Republican, not only am I in favor of an *Australian Head of State, New Flag and New Constitution* (bringing with it the essence of the best of past practices and traditions)I am also in favor of breaking the monopoly of the 2 major parties.

Voting Green can assist that process, by generating a viable 3rd party alternative, and then indeed, it is likely that we will get a fairer voting system.

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Of course, to have a vibrant eat out economy, the base, the pensioners, need to have both time AND spare $$$ for prime cut, value added yuppy meat, instead of just 6 days out of 7 quiet ones with 1 day a week take away/luxury food.

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Now, who may I ask you stabilised the base of the economy at the onset of the GFC, notwithstanding some waste, mismanagement and incompetence in other areas?

Hmmm ...

The ALP with the support of the Greens.

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Remember:

"Look after the pennies and the dollars will look after themselves."

So, to go on from my last post, I seem to recall the news being broadcast that the Greens want to put an increased tax or levy on junk food advertising.

(Someone do please correct me if I have got my facts wrong here.)

Seems rather silly to me to tackle the problem of bad health associated with excess consumption of junk food by making it more expensive, as in so doing people will be forced to eat at home more and won't be out and about on the town spending their excess money round and about and here and there.

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Perhaps the Greens should target the food laws and get cuts in sugars per combo or something along those lines as an alternative.

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And as for those who advocate locking children up indefinitely, without charge or trial contrary to the advice of mental health experts, well, I say, the best place for people like john howard and his mates, including those within the ALP, is on the inside of a prison cell.

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For those who opposed howard's nomination to the International Cricket Board - WELL DONE! - I take my hat off to you all. BRAVO!

Dream On while your post interested me they did not seem to contribute to the direction of the thread.
Looked like you had some thing to say and could not find the right thread.
But show me how Abbott or Gillard can help your mate?
Are we to control rents for him? if he is staying he must think it is worth it.
Would I be right in saying your mate is one of a great many who battle to keep head above water in such business?
And all too often they fail, if how ever it gos ok they may get a great life you Gamble you win or not it is life.

Belly, small business, 'retail' days are doomed, esspecially in shopping centres anyway, as rents are simply to high now. My two shops will be my last.

Off track a bit, but at present, majors, Coles Wollies enjoy subsidised rents, thanks to the mini majors and the specialty stores.They also rent thier internal space to suppliers.

Now as these SB fail, and they will, the centres will no longer be able to provide cheap rents for majors and they will be forced into 'warehouses' where rents are cheap. Internet shopping is also gaining momentum, slowly.

Look out then if you thought think food is expensive now. No competition for the majors will spell disarster for the consumer.

Back on track.
All I can say is that when labor came to power we were in good shape and now we are broke + some and, madam PM was #2 when all this occurred.

I say again, ask not if we can afford TA and the libs, ask wether we can risk another term of labor. Let's face it, histrory shows they have a lousy track record when it comes to waste. Two goes in two decades, both wastefull says enough for me.