Keep religion out of schools. Religion has no place outside the home.

TBC

you repeat the mantra

'That has more to do with Howard changing the rules for opening schools, which are now business ventures as much as anything else.'

I suggest it has more to do with the lack of respect for teachers, lack of respect for fellow students and the failure to teach right and wrong (absolutes). You are fooling yourself to blame Mr Howard despite your hatred. In the State school where I live teachers have been bashed, drugs are common place and teachers are crowd managers. This is not unusual in many State schools despite more funding than most schools being received The system has reaped the idiotic secular dogmas it has sown. Of course the supporters of the dogma always cry that more funding will help the problem. What rubbish. The philosophical basis is the problem not the money. The fact that parents are willing to sacrifice and pay to send their kids to private schools were absolutes are taught. boundaries re-inforced and the dogmas of evolution are not pushed down people's throats speaks volumes.

btw My wife and I home schooled our kids for a number of years after having them in one of these zoos. The kids are now achieving highly at uni level. I doubt very much if that would of been the case if left to the secular system. Some private schools who fail to teach biblical principals reap the same fruit as those of secular schools.

Otokonoko....If you are going to link that document as evidence, even with your disclaimer, we should link this also

http://www.schoolparents.canberra.net.au/Funding%20Myths.pdf

It is important to differentiate between the ordinary Catholic School and Lower End Private School (which I don't worry too much about) and other Private Schools.

But what problem never gets mentioned?

Expelled kids from Private Schools generally go to the Government Schools system.

If a school takes fees to educate a child in the first place, why should it be allowed to dump that child onto the Government Schools, when the going gets tough?

Doesn't this cop out put further pressure on the Government Schools system, whilst the Private School system does a Pontius Pilate with the child?

Furthermore Private Schools get a massive advantage by somehow being allowed to interview students prior to enrolment, which to me seems discriminatory...and the Government System who gets the rest.

However, I also don’t believe Government Schools should be allowed to expel students so that those students get dumped on other schools.

I am a strong supporter of teachers. In my experience, most teachers are overworked, underpaid, underappreciated professionals who are expected to perform miracles with limited resources.

Education has always been underfunded and is always at the whim of vote buying politicians.

Apocolypse (to save you time)

The Greek word for apocalypse....Apokálypsis means "lifting the veil" - NOT End TIMES or END OF DAYS as is commonly preached.

About 400 years ago there was a study called "apokalupsis eschaton" - "lifting the veil on the end times" and that through poor teaching the "eschaton" was dropped and Apocolypse was then continually misinterpreted as end times or end of days.

"Eschatology" comes from two Greek words last, and discourse or study

"The study of the end times" be it an era, an age, a life etc.

No-one knows if Revelations was translated from an Aramaic document into the Greek, and so this probably complicates these terms even further, because, we can't even get the Greek to English translations right.

Do Christians/Religions/Preachers really know their Bibles well enough to call it Education?

Runner... "The system has reaped the idiotic secular dogmas it has sown" what are these dogmas though?

You keep repeating this line without explaining yourself.

My children's state high school took in the drug runners from the local boys grammar school, and the students who were expelled from the Catholic 'quality' school for shooting at other students on a school camp, as well as taking in the 'general' thugs and school bullies chucked out of the boys and girls 'faith' schools in town, a steady diet of children whose parents had paid a lot of money, for nothing so it seems... not to mention the kids that get murdered at Catholic schools up here in Qld... and so on.

I wouldn't bother trying to line up violence in the state schools against violence in the faith schools if I were you.

I think you should accept that most schools are rife with drugs, public and private alike, and so is our society, which is copied in our schools.

Workplaces are rife with drugs, and homes.

Evolution is taught in most faith schools, with the exception of the Christian madrassahs were ignorance is King.

TBC

'My children's state high school took in the drug runners from the local boys grammar school'

Hence my point. These drug runners should not be allowed in schools. Any school with any decency would protect the majority of students instead of bowing to 'children's rights with no responsibility which is part of secular dogma. Those responsible for allowing these Grammar drug runners in the school should be held to account. Anyone honest person knows how very weak the system is. The Grammar school at least had the decency to expel these kids who think nothing of ruining lives for others.

Ah, although you decline to explain directly what you mean about 'secular values', you offer an insight here.

The faith school fails to instil 'Christian solid living values' in its very expensive students, already expelled from high status Brisbane faith schools for drugs, and casts them out once more.

The public school picks them up, in a Christian manner, and tries to help them gain an education without holding their folly against them, and yet you would prefer they be denied all assistance and cast out into the desert, or with the swine.

I see Runner... I am beginning to understand the true essence of Runners forgiving Christian nature at last.

"The Grammar school at least had the decency to expel these kids" oh dear Runner... you really are not very 'forgiving' are you, not so very 'tolerant', not so very 'loving', like Jesus clearly was, eh?

I suspect the high school undertook its task through gritted teeth, and certainly kept it quiet from newspapers and parents as much as they could, but, 'Jesus' Runner, if you can forgive me for that, isn't that what you stand for? 'Love and caring for the unhelped?

Isn't 'looking after the despised' part of the Jesus schtick?

Where do you lot go when you have ditched the essentials?