How do I challenge the Australian way of life David? Why don’t you better explain what you mean? Sure I believe that it is okay to be think you are superior or better than another (some people are better than others, we are not the same) so long as you treat the other with the same level of respect that you expect to be treated yourself. Our beliefs and feelings belong to us and should be our own. Nobody can demand another person like another or try to control how we feel and what we think. We are free to love and hate – what we are not free to do is to hurt people.

If it hurts Muslims that lots of people don’t like them then maybe they should stop and consider why a lot of people are scared of them and feel threatened by them as it isn’t actually because of race it is because of the ACTIONS of groups of people of their race. If it hurts Australians that a lot of Muslims don’t like them then maybe we should stop and consider why this is happening as it isn’t actually because of race, it is because of the actions of some of those from that race. As always the actions of a few impact on others.

I am a real Australian. I believe that we should protect Australia and the Australian way of life from being taken over or damaged by those who are so stuck on their rights that they dont consider that they have obligations and they don’t care who they hurt or how it affects others.

My comment about Love and indifference also being capable of leading to killing and death was not absurd. It was a fact.

Racism is only connected with killing if those that are racist are violent and actively go out and do harm. Aggressive and violent people come in all shapes, sizes nationalities and religions, it isn't limited to one.

David says "Racism is connected with killing and death of innocent people".
Democratically elected Australian Governments have known for 100's of budgets that Aboriginal Australians are something like 2-4 times sicker than other Australians. Men die some 17 years earlier than you or I. Their wives and children are also much sicker .
Earlier Australian Governments believed they would die out - end of problem .

There have been and are predictable deaths and sickness caused by neglect and continuing Racism on a massive scale .

We are not a poor country ,lack of money could never be an excuse .

Using your definition Australians are guilty of appalling Racism to the Race of Australians least able to defend themselves...

Kartiya Jum says "We are not a poor country ,lack of money could never be an excuse."

That is true. Unfortunately, poverty is not a money issue.

For years we have thrown money at problems all over the world and the poor are still poor and people still get sick from preventable disease.

The issue is education. Many aid agencies realise that people can get out of the poverty cycle simply by giving someone an interest free loan and helping them set up a small bussiness and giving them a few basic finance skills.

We don't need more money. Giving people welfare is not the answer (although I do admit that some people [black and white] will never get off welfare due to other issues such as substance abuse, mental illness etc). We need to make better use of the money we have. Sure, fix up the food and water supply and housing in remote communities. but lets motivate people, help them see that there is light at the end of the tunnel. Teach them some basic life skills including self respect and confidence in their own ability to get out of the downward spiral.

I have been a full time volunteer worker for 25 years. I have about $50 in the back I own a 1987 Camry with a blown engine and I live in a small apartment with my wife and our two children left at home. In my eyes I am rich and succsessfull.

We need to be looking at raising peoples value of them selves and others, not their bank balance

Proberbs, I am glad your life is happy.
The money I talk for Aboriginal Welfare is for health and education. Howard gives a lot of money to private schools, it costs !
Ever looked for a dentist in the bush?
Ever looked for a doctor in the bush ?
Ever looked for cheap healthy food in the bush?
They are all hard to find .

I agree 100% Jim, we need to address those issues but I don't think that is going to solve the problem lomg term.

In my opinion we are not doing enough to address the poverty mentality in this country. I have met many people who are suffering in poverty in the bush and the city and most of them have several things in common. They don't really believe there is anything they can do about it and that it is always someone elses fault. There is a high degree of hopelessness amoung the poor.

You and I know that to a certain degree people can achieve great things once they set their mind to it. Every now and then we hear about the entrepenuer who grew up poor and became a success. What makes them different? Why do we have some people who are born into wealth and die in poverty and others who are born in poverty who have become weralthy and successfull.

We need to give the poor hope. Help them to realise that they are valuable. They can do something about it even if no one ever gave them a cent

Rainier,

Thank you. Interesting legal history. There seems to have been an attempt towards treaty arrangement in the NZ (as provided in your link to this Sit.. Here, I have elsewhere read. there were difficulties, owing to language on subtle areas like control, sovereignty and ownership. Internally, two main groups needed to agree too, the Maori and the Pakhe (spelling?)? Ratified in the 70s?

Oz would have the problem that there may have been 400 clans, by extrapolation, and, a guess only, 40-50 dialect groups. These guys would need to understand reach other, and, then deal with the British. Some would never have been in contact. Difficult. But it is a pitty the British didn't try harder. Just the same, the British legal notion the Land was empty prior to settlement is ridiculous, in fact.

In latter history, there was the problem of the Squatters taking unallocated land outside British law. Also, massacres. When an aboriginal murdered a settler, maybe, 100 innocents were killed, in reprisal.

Appreciate the links. Will scan soon, and then go back for a more detailed read. [Busy over the next few weeks with tight deadlines.]