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A Lesson in Racism

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CJ, we rarely agree, but in this case I too agree

The effect this "drunken comment" (in vino veritas?) may have had on its own is trivial, the stand taken by Tahu is one that is long overdue.

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander players have copped sledging of this type on the field and off for too long. I presume the South Sea Islanders, Fijians and Maoris have too.

This "stand" is principled and with any luck may have an effect upon the "careless" racism that people just have to put up with...

Then again, if Johns was describing the QLD backline, exactly how many did he refer to in this way? I strongly suspect what got Tahu's back up would have been the Black C this and Black C that... There is no shortage of indigenous players in the QLD side.

I think Tahu should be asked to return to the squad, to the detriment of the Maroons, while Johns should be relegated to the sh$$t heap as a result. Kids watch this game, they idolise the players, they also copy them, the longer this continues unchecked the longer they'll copy it.

I am quite interested to see the result of this on Wednesday night. The fact that the majority of the NSW team seems to regard this as a non-event will be a red rag to a bull to most of the QLD team, including their coach.

By the way, let me add - QQQUUUUEEEEEEENNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAANNNNDDDDEERRRR :D
Posted by Custard, Monday, 14 June 2010 12:41:00 PM
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ALGOREisRICH,

Meh.

Others,

Cheers. Oh, and QUEEEEEEEEEENSLANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER.
Posted by StG, Monday, 14 June 2010 12:54:14 PM
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A comment is racist if it separates a person by race AND imputes inherent inferiority. While Johns' comment was not racist because his imputation against an adversary was of superior performance not of inherent inferiority, he was reported as making a comment about himself at the same time as coming from underprivileged white stock in a similar aspersion to bravado, he should have been mindful that his comment could be lost in the cacophony of racist comments made against persons of the same race as the talented player, which it evidently was. He should also have been mindful that alluding to the talented adversary by race is hardly going to inspire a team member of the same race.

Equality before Australian law irrespective of race or color is a nonsense in its application to an Aboriginal woman, firstly because no woman in Australia is equal with men before the law since the nation's Constitution requires that all women remain under male supervision as can be evidenced in the knowledge that a simple majority of the parliament can rescind the Commonwealth Franchise Act 1902 with the effect of removing all women members and prohibiting all women in Australia the vote. Secondly, because Australian law does not recognise a women's jurisdiction as does the customary law of Australia's first peoples. The comments made by the Aboriginal woman were entirely fair, implied no inherent inferiority, merely the inferiority of Australian law in comparison with customary law and were warranted, perspicacious and just. Moreover, in the reverse of the Johns dilemma, the woman is perfectly correct in bringing the injustice in which she finds herself to public attention to the betterment of all Australians.

The solution to assuage both concerns is to achieve equality at law between women and men, which also achieves equality between races since race is comprised of women and men, with a republic governed by agreement between women's and men's legislatures, courts and corporate committees.
Posted by whistler, Monday, 14 June 2010 1:03:23 PM
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whistler,

"A comment is racist if it separates a person by race AND imputes inherent inferiority. While Johns' comment was not racist because his imputation against an adversary was of superior performance not of inherent inferiority"

The term "black c..." creates a perception of inferiority by use of term and all it means. It may not have been his intention but that completely irrelevant when he wasn't the one offended by it. What is important is what the term meant to Tahu.
Posted by StG, Monday, 14 June 2010 1:46:50 PM
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I think some of you need to take a walk in the real world.
Andrew Johns did nothing that is not every day within the Aboriginal community.
As we the community use the word barstard as an insult and a term of friendship, so too is the exact term used by these folk.
The very words Johns used.
And not always in loving terms.
Johns is an icon of his sport, should have known not to use those words.
Should not take it for granted being slapped on the back and reminded he is a white ba@#@d is different than this,, no one cares about your feelings Joey.
You must not feed the increasingly ugly chooks media cares not for truth will go well past honesty in reporting/manufacturing headlines.
I bet the most unloved sportsman in Australia's history,, nothing to do with race, Mundine was approached to make more silly things come out of his problem place.
The mans mouth is not connected to his brain.
Tahu go back to that other game it may be easier to play with gentlemen rather than us NRL types.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 14 June 2010 2:23:35 PM
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CJ and Whislter... amazing stuff.. straight out of "Alice..through the looking glass"

Humpty said:

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

Just as CJ used copious amounts of 'scorn' with which to dismantle the clear meaning of Australian law, and it's intended purpose...ie.. as the law itself says

RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ACT 1975 - SECT 10
Rights to equality before the law

(1) If, by reason of, or of a provision of, a law of the Commonwealth or of a State or Territory, persons of a particular race, colour or national or ethnic origin do not enjoy a right that is enjoyed by persons of another race, colour or national or ethnic origin, or enjoy a right to a more limited extent than persons of another race, colour or national or ethnic origin, then, notwithstanding anything in that law, persons of the first‑mentioned race, colour or national or ethnic origin shall, by force of this section, enjoy that right to the same extent as persons of that other race, colour or national or ethnic origin.

The law...is clear. Brother Morgan apparently cannot read or even understand "English" as a language.

Equality..is not a humpty version "inequality".. it is EQUALITY..as in.. irrespective of skin color or history..or any Whistler or Morganesque twilight zone spin... Black = White and White=Black.. and treatment under the law must be...equal.

I think Whistler and CJ have recently signed up for Ignatiev's white hatred site "Race Traitor"- where one of their slogans is:

"The Point Is Not To Interpret Whiteness But To To Abolish It"
and
"Treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity"

I suppose this is just another way of saying "Whites are subhuman"

I look forward to further unpacking and exposing the vile and loathesome anti white racism of the Greens and of CJ himself.(by his own confession)

"Black c..." is a racist inference, and statement. STG.
"White S..." is a racist inference, and statement. RDA
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Monday, 14 June 2010 2:24:36 PM
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