Dear Protagorus.... my point was not to whitewash any evil or methods used by the Coalition or the US in Vietnam.

We both know that 'regimes' do what fits the bill at the time, and pick up the pieces later. How many Jews harmed by Hamas Rockets are on a Hamas funded pension ?

But that also is not why I started this thread..I don't want have it delfected into a discussion about the rights and wrongs or the USA..because I have PLENTY of ammo about that which I'm saving for a different thread. But that is more 'now' than past history.

We could join that discussion of you wish on the 'Human Settlement' one.
What the US regime is doing right NOW..and to US..(u & me) is of more relevance than the past.

My only point on this thread... we to show how much spin the Left will use to discredit or damage their opponents no matter how fake and false it might be.

We may be sure...that lives have been lost over that video by McBeth.

What do you think about Cat Stevens trip ? (other thread)

“But that also is not why I started this thread”

Well that’s odd AG because I was responding to your question:

“Should we hold the US accountable for these awful atrocities reported in these eye witness first hand self confessed accounts?”

Well looks like I had the wrong war, wrong WMD but the same recidivist warmongers who like to dirty things up, eh?

Then you advise: ”My only point on this thread... we to show how much spin the Left will use to discredit or damage their opponents no matter how fake and false it might be”

And that too is perplexing because I’ve not seen anything in your thread about ‘Left’ either. Perhaps it's because I’m not left, not right but forward?

But I have some excellent remedies for penopause – interested?

Proto

If I'd begun the thread as "How the Left spins" it would have been obvious that I have a certain bias toward a different view.

I wanted to let it out there and see if anyone jumped on it as 'evidence' of bad things done. (i.e..as the story from MacBeth)

I did not plan (and don't desire) to argue the issue of "did the USA/coalition do bad things in Iraq"..

on the issue of "No WMD"..I'll touch that one briefly.. that myth has become such a cliche it's like people who speak about 'Climate Change' as though it was a done deal and unquestionably correct.

Georges Sida, Iraqi General was closely involved in moving them (WMD) to Syria.

Believe who you like on that..or do the usual thing and just say "The yanks paid him to say that"...or.."He was writing a book about it.so he 'would' say that wouldn't he"

Like I said.. the first casualty of war is truth..and that goes especially for the Left wing sites as well as the right.

I've changed my views on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan too. Both are pointless unless we stop their suppliers, which is Iran.

So, yes, let the US bomb Iran. Tonight if possible. And let Israel bomb them too.

Quite true Ben

the one HUGE thing which puzzles me... is why the Americans don't take more conerted action to stop Poppy production.. I mean full on pedal to the metal STOP....IT.. and if that alienates the population..so be it.

At least then they will have clearly defined battle lines and a real war they can fight, win and then restructure things accordingly.

I can think of a number of bizzare reasons why they don't do this, but as I said.. they are all bizzare :)

Notice how the same SPIN I have highlighted here is now being perpetrated in the MEDIA.

Yesterday the Age had (of all the possible choices) "Israel kills protestors"

I'm not sure.. I can't recall..but maybe the front page also had "peace" between kills and protestors.

They COULD have had "Israeli interdiction results in 19 casualties"

but..."the Age"..says it all.. leftwing.