Proxy: << Disingenuous... >>

Very funny, given Boazy's entirely deceitful premise for this discussion.

Do you have any evidence at all that McBeth/Al-Zaid is a Muslim, beyond the fact that he appears to be of Arabic descent?

Foxy,
<<People who enjoy the rights of free speech
have a duty to respect other people's rights.>>
Even when those "other people" follow an ideology which demands the death penalty for those who blaspheme?
Is it not incumbent upon all believers in free speech to warn of the dangers of an ideology which is profoundly anti-free speech, to the extent that it advocates death for those who criticise it's founder?

<<A personal freedom of speech is limited by the rights of others.>>
Limited by what rights? Limited by the right of others to advocate death for those who insult their "prophet"?

<<All civilized societies put various limitations on what people may say.>>
Does this make Islam civilised by definition? Islam prohibits criticism of its "prophet" as one of the limits of free speech, punishable by death, and this makes it civilised?

<<They prohibit certain types of speech that they believe may harm people.>>
The only people who might be harmed by the type of free speech that you seem to be condemning are those exercising their right to free speech.
Or are you warning people that they should not criticise Islam because they might otherwise be reasonably harmed for transgressing Islamic limitations on free speech?

Foxy,
If Christians started demanding that nobody criticise Jesus otherwise they would murder them, would you grant them that "right" or would you call them murderous fanatics and demand that they be locked up?
What if they then actually started doing it, with rioting, arson and live beheadings on the internet?
Would you then develop a healthy respect for their right to put limitations on free speech?
All in the interests of maintaining community harmony, of course.

Al Zaid ?

Foxy.. when I opened this thread I did not have the slightest clue about McBeth's arabic/muslim connection .....

So you will note the 'Islamic quotes' are not from me.

Asking why Graham allows this is very very innapproriate and tantamount to stifling free speech which 'you' don't happen to approve of. I resent that attempt at 'repression' by you very seriously.

But Proxy does highlight one thing which escaped me...

"a Muslim falsely claiming American atrocities against Muslims."

If verifiable it would make sense.(in the same way a SriLankan government soldier (of Tamil background) might do the same in regard to Sinhalese Army.

But my focus was purely on how when some 'renegade' soldier suddenly comes out with some "AntiWar" rhetoric.. that the Left will take it up like a pitbull on a chihwawa and run with it.

I demonstrated this with appropriate links.. The "Muslim" angle is new to me...and frankly I don't care about it.

While it is of value and important to understand "Islam", our challenge is not primarily from them...it is with those who are using them as a means to destroy any sense of identity in Western countries.

They are but a symptom of a bigger crisis. My focus now is on the actual disease. i.e..Socialism and it's UberCapitalist backers.

My post/thread here is in complete harmony with that objective as it demonstrates the willingness, no..eagerness of the left to jump on any excuse to destroy capitalism.

<< Asking why Graham allows this is very very innapproriate and tantamount to stifling free speech which 'you' don't happen to approve of. I resent that attempt at 'repression' by you very seriously. >>

This from the same guy who wants Waleed Aly banned from appearing on the ABC, and who sets out to deliberately deceive us in this thread.

Some advocate for free speech - not.

Dear CJ,

I came across this paragraph in my
readings early this morning.
Which gave me some comfort.
You may enjoy it:

"There is a breed
of nothing people
who live in a no-man's land,
somewhere between fear and truth -
their frustration makes them dangerous -
but only
to other nothing people - "

(Nan Witcomb).

Truth is indeed a casualty of war Proxy. Still no comment from you about WMDs