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The Forum > General Discussion > CLAUSE 61 and the GAY RIGHTS DEBATE.

CLAUSE 61 and the GAY RIGHTS DEBATE.

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It sure sounds like something Catholic. If you mean of equal worth then I am glad that you take that stance.

"Whilst I support catholics who wish to have their own little religious beliefs, they do not enjoy my support to the extent of inflicting their views upon other people.

Thus, I support the notion of the equality of humanity as a whole."

With some being more equal than others from the sound of it. What do you mean inflict. Are you saying that you believe Catholics should be excluded from democratic processes?

"am strongly opposed to the likes of catholics, particularly those of the variety who like to cover up for the crime of peadophilia, as is likely the case with that deluded individual *RatSinger* and current head of a long since discredited organisation."

Who wouldn't be strongly opposed to those foes both the real ones and the imagined ones?
Posted by mjpb, Thursday, 27 May 2010 2:53:50 PM
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BENQ..firstly a personal note...I don't think I'll buy your monitors again :) mine stuffed up.. grrr

To your point. You claim my posts are about "OUR" version of what is correct.

This is EXACTLY where Marcuse was coming from in his essay!

Let me quote. (Paragraph 1)
http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/pubs/60spubs/65repressivetolerance.htm

//The conclusion reached is that the realization of the objective of TOLERANCE would call for INtolerance toward PREVAILING policies, attitudes, opinions, and the extension of tolerance to policies, attitudes, and opinions which are outlawed or suppressed.//

HISTORIC NOTE. When Marcuse penned those words.. the Gay rights movement did not EXIST! He had that in mind along with a number of other outcomes/agenda's of the Frankfurt school of critical social theorists (Marxists).

So..in his view "Tolerance" is acheived through REPRESSION! of alternative views. At that time the 'alternative' view was the mainstream one...ie..that homosexuality was devient, and not normal and should be marginalized from mainstream society.

Now... YOU have taken up the same approach.. trying to marginalize views different from your own.

I am not trying to marginalize people here..I am trying to show how competing views are expressed through political chanels in order to REPRESS opposing views.

This thread is not about Homosexuality or gay behavior per se..it is about POLITICS and values. Please pay attention.
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Thursday, 27 May 2010 6:27:37 PM
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sonofgloin

'Homosexuals do not have a "free will" choice in regard to their sexual orientation, as most priests do when they take advantage of their position of power to seduce boys.'

I don't think you know how contradictory that statement is. I do know and have met practicing homosexuals. Many are lovely people trapped in sin like people fornicating or committing adultery. You can't say that a homosexual does not have a choice but a paedophile does. The promotion and misinformation given out by the 'gay' lobby has deceived many people. I hold no hate towards these people but am sick of the activist and porn industry perverting the minds of young kids.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 27 May 2010 7:46:37 PM
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catholics and abortion is a good example of what I mean by "inflicting themselves on others."

Our bodies are our own. If a woman falls pregnant and for whatever reason doesn't want to keep it, then that is entirely the prerogative of the individual concerned.

No one else has any rights in this regard in my opinion.

And "fire and brimstone" preaching, haranguing and the malpractice of psychology under the guise of "good morals" and "counseling" is in my view to grossly trespass against the individual concerned.

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Same goes for any two people who share Luv and Intimacy.

It is NOT the concern of others period.

Self deluded *ratsinger* or any of his other frothing at the mouth fanatical and dogmatic adherents need to learn to shut their mouths and mind their own business lest someone take serious offense.
Posted by DreamOn, Friday, 28 May 2010 12:49:40 AM
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Dreamy.. and others.. can why try to stick to the topic?

I'm opening eyes to the political process.

If we don't understand that, it doesn't matter what our personal views are about various subjects, the politicians and the 'rights' lobbies will end up running our lives in ways we might not wish.

THAT is the topic.. grrr...

The way it works is this.

MAKE A NEW BILL... which has an innocuous name "Coroners and Justice Bill"....

Then..sneak in just one tiny clause which impacts on OTHER bills where you already feel comfortable.. and DESTROY the reason for your comfort...

This process as shown in the various bills in the opening post is about CONTROL...REPRESSION..OPPRESSION..AND VICTIMIZATION but it's nt the gays who will be victimized here..it is the heterosexual community, and we need to stand ready to defend the freedom we have.

"They may take our land..but they will NEVER take..our FREEDOMMMMM" as one of my ancestors once said :)
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Friday, 28 May 2010 6:38:02 AM
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You are such a hoot, [insert current pseudonym here].

>>"They may take our land..but they will NEVER take..our FREEDOMMMMM" as one of my ancestors once said :)<<

Mel Gibson is one of your ancestors?

That explains so much.
Posted by Pericles, Friday, 28 May 2010 8:47:55 AM
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