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The Forum > General Discussion > CLAUSE 61 and the GAY RIGHTS DEBATE.

CLAUSE 61 and the GAY RIGHTS DEBATE.

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It is an unfortunate, but observable fact that the more "rights" afforded to homosexuals, the less rights remaining for normal people.
Before and after Californians voted for Proposition 8, which would codify marriage as being between a man and a woman, homosexuals ran amok committing acts of violence and property damage to those who dared support the Proposition.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/nov/08111711.html
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Family/bg2328.cfm##_ftnref19
This is merely a small part of an emerging pattern.
It is not really surprising that this is so when one considers that homosexual interpersonal violence is much higher than heterosexual IPV.
"Bisexual (40.6%), gay, lesbian or homosexual adults (27.9%) are almost twice as likely to experience IPV as heterosexual adults (16.7%)"
http://www.healthpolicy.ucla.edu/pubs/files/IPV_PB_031810.pdf
(Exhibit 6 is interesting, although completely predictable)

Dysfunction begats dysfunction.
Posted by Proxy, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 10:00:50 PM
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Proxy,

Dysfunctional is a broad term. However you seem to be adducing an innuendo that they are suffering from a mental illness. If so, in a secular context, that is controversial. Since the 70s when it became a lifestyle choice instead of a mental illness it hasn't been the official position. Now even the majority view in the mental health profession is that it isn't dysfunctional. If I am getting your innuendo correct you seem to take it for granted.

Sorry to be cynical but I can't help suspecting that your real motive for citing IPV is that you are anticipating that the figures will be used to show the exposure of people identifying with a same sex attraction to violence as the basis for an argument that they need extra legal protection. My suspicion is that you are 'getting in first'.
Posted by mjpb, Thursday, 27 May 2010 10:24:03 AM
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AGIR's posts are a true example of political correctness - - - - "his" version of extreme right wing political correctness: A political correctness that has scant sympathy for, understanding of and personal respect towards homosexual people.

It's a typical ploy of far right wing dogmatists to use "freedom" as a tool to repress minorities. When minorities are assisted it's seen by these dogmatists like AGIR and others here, as an attack against their "freedom" - - - - - to repress those minorities.

The motivations behind their posts are obvious, due to the language they use.

"Real" freedom is the absolute LAST thing they're interested in. They are only interested in "their" version of freedom - - - - a type of freedom designed to specifically conform to their far right wing dogma; a very much "politically correct" freedom.
Posted by benq, Thursday, 27 May 2010 12:51:59 PM
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benq,

An even more common ploy in debating is the ad hominem approach. So please don't leave too quickly in case your post is taken that way. You obviously feel strongly and may be able to add a new dimension to the debate. Many who feel strongly are unable to civilly debate the topic and have been booted out.

How would you differentiate between people who opposed gay marriage and respected homosexuals and those who don't or do you believe it isn't possible?
Posted by mjpb, Thursday, 27 May 2010 1:29:24 PM
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It's not catholics per se *mjbp* but rather I take gross exception to those who treat:

1. Women as less than equal

&

2. Gay people as less than equal

In fact, I find discriminatory practices based on gender or race or sexual preference to be most foul, and am not shy to say so.

Whilst I support catholics who wish to have their own little religious beliefs, they do not enjoy my support to the extent of inflicting their views upon other people.

Thus, I support the notion of the equality of humanity as a whole

AND

am strongly opposed to the likes of catholics, particularly those of the variety who like to cover up for the crime of peadophilia, as is likely the case with that deluded individual *RatSinger* and current head of a long since discredited organisation.
Posted by DreamOn, Thursday, 27 May 2010 2:05:38 PM
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With regard to the whole gay thing, there are 3 schools of thought. Those that are into it and want to convert the whole world. Those that are all moralistic and make a big fuss about it. And those that couldnt care less either way.
I could go into great detail about how fantastic vaginal sex can be, that its the most natural and normal thing in the world, how proud I am (and my parents of course) of my heterosexuality, and then set aside a day each year where all us hetero's get all dressed up and march down the street. Of course, it wouldnt work...
Unfortunately, they just dont seem to realise how vapid the constant promotion of their chosen lifestyle is.
Posted by PatTheBogan, Thursday, 27 May 2010 2:24:20 PM
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