Saying gays chose their lifestyle is the same as saying you chose yours. I'm hetero, no amount of guilt, persecution, judgement, violence, ignorance, or hate, will change that. Why's it any different for gays?.

Pely

my issues with homosexuality ?

I only have one major issue.. DON'T TEACH IT as 'normal' to children.
Unless you also teach that people like Dennis Ferguson are also 'normal' to his group, and that my favorite target NAMBLA are also 'normal'.

I cannot change someone who is committed to a particular self perception about their sexuality... to be honest I hardly even worry about doing that.

This issue goes much much deeper than just the gay issue. It is a political one. (which is where my 'issue' is)

Promoting is different from accepting.

Read paragraph 1 of Marcuse essay "Repressive Tolerance" and see if you can tweak to what I'm on about. It was written in 1965.

Think about what was lawful and unlawful then? (homosexual behavior)

REPRESSIVE TOLERANCE 1965
THIS essay examines the idea of tolerance in our advanced industrial society. The conclusion reached is that the realization of the objective of tolerance would call for intolerance toward prevailing policies, attitudes, opinions, and the extension of tolerance to policies, attitudes, and opinions which are outlawed or suppressed. In other words, today tolerance appears again as what it was in its origins, at the beginning of the modern period--a partisan goal, a subversive liberating notion and practice. Conversely, what is proclaimed and practiced as tolerance today, is in many of its most effective manifestations serving the cause of oppression

MARX>>>FRANKFURT SCHOOL (critical social theorists)>>HERBERT MARCUSE (moved from Frankfurt to the USA)>>>COUNTER CULTURE 60s/70s>>>American Academia>>>GAY RIGHTS,FEMINISM,POLITICAL CORRECTNESS,MULTICULTURALISM,ENVIRONMENTALISM,ANIMAL RIGHTS,GLOBAL GOVERNANCE>> and the final destination .. you, me and our children.

PC is about 'REPRESSION'.. of dissenting views. I don't like being 'repressed'.

Thanks for that extract on repressive tolerance. It goes nicely with my own expression of the phenomenon of minority dominance on the Akermanis thread.

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Gays are very capable of producing fertile sperm, and the purpose of fertile sperm is to reproduce a human being, and if homosexuals think anal sex is normal they are deluded. Their self interest is greater than the survival of a healthy society. This act is abnormal and unnatural, and poses dire health risks to a community i.e. Aids in the Sydney gay community and what has happened in Africa.