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Has Spain got the right Approach ?

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I get the impression that individual is a disgruntled tradesman employed by the Qld government, who is resentful that he hasn't been as successful in his career as have his superiors, or his counterparts in private industry. He projects his anger on to the entire Public Service (not to mention Indigenous people) in order to compensate for his own inadequacies and poor career choices.

As Severin says, the bureaucratic ineptitude that he describes is found in any large organisation. For example, anybody who's had dealings with Telstra in recent years would have encountered similar problems, but they certainly can't be attributed to public servants.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Saturday, 15 May 2010 11:08:31 AM
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Nobody likes rorts and certainly the money can be better spent. I have never been paid a bonus or given assistance but maybe the rental allowance was for a remote area where they had trouble getting staff. I know teachers in SA many years ago often got cheap housing in more remote areas as an incentive. I can't see anything wrong with that if it means ensuring regional areas are serviced.

Part of the problem is the accounting system - departments always do a big spend up before the next financial year to prove they need the same the next year. Although at the moment some departments are struggling with changing priorities, pressures from their Minsiter's office so one section loses much needed staff to pay for those in others - usually at the expense of customers.

I know one place that spent a heap before one financial year travelling to all parts of Australia when they could have done much of the work in Canberra. The problem is that they may actually need the funds in the following year for many reasons including new responsibilities or other shortfalls. The system needs to be reviewed.

We have all dealt with the bureacratic examples you speak about - have you ever tried to ring a bank and ask questions about something a bit out of left field only to find that when you ring back someone has got the wrong end of the stick, and you have to repeat your story over again. Or when a vendor has accidentally charged you twice for a credit card transaction and you deal with one bank, they deal with another and it is on for fun times ahead sorting that out. Sometimes I think customer should send bills for time wasted in sorting out bureaucratic bank bungles.
Posted by pelican, Saturday, 15 May 2010 11:49:53 AM
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Sometimes I think customer should send bills for time wasted in sorting out bureaucratic bank bungles.
Now there's a great idea !
CJ Morgan, you really are incapable of telling the difference between disgruntlement & anger.
Your remark re the indigenous is out of order.
Bureaucratic ineptitude is found in any large organisation. So you do know about it happening. Why aren't you doing anything about it like supporting those who want to change it.
just because it happens makes it ok ? I suppose being more than likely a benefactor of this ineptitude would be silly for you to do something about it.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 15 May 2010 12:08:16 PM
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individual: << you really are incapable of telling the difference between disgruntlement & anger >>

It's merely a question of degree. Perhaps you're unaware of how angry you appear to be when you make ridiculous generalisations about the entire Public Service, based on gripes you have about the bureaucracy under which you choose to work.

Ditto for your various comments about the Indigenous people whom you encounter during the course of your work.

You seem to be very adept at apportioning blame for your evident disgruntlement on to generalised groups of 'others'. Perhaps you should look a bit closer to home for the sources of your anger.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Sunday, 16 May 2010 11:06:55 AM
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CJ Morgan,
assuming you have an ounce of integrity I guarantee you would have convulsions from what I heard just minutes ago talking to indigenous friends over dinner tonight. The misuse of council money by so-called community managers. The three chaps told me about councillors' adventures in escort agencies & purchase of a house incl furniture all from public funding. Unfortunately, the law not being on my side I can not state much more at this stage but, watch this space.
Do not make the mistake of thinking I'm merely disgruntled.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 16 May 2010 10:49:26 PM
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individual: << Do not make the mistake of thinking I'm merely disgruntled >>

So you've got some hearsay evidence of rorting by some local government officials? How does that justify bagging the entire Public Service? If you have any real evidence of corruption, take it to the CMC.

I agree that your anger seems to extend beyond mere disgruntlement. Everything that's wrong with your life is down to those evil public servants, academics and freeloading Indigenous people, isn't it?

Have you ever had professional counselling? Might be worth a try.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Monday, 17 May 2010 7:49:41 AM
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