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Has Spain got the right Approach ?

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Runner... there are no 'leftists' in universities.

Universities are pits of despair, of rightwing corporatists engaged in career building only.

Teaching has fallen by the wayside as has any vague hint of 'ideology' such as you fear.

Students with no aptitude get credits, distinctions and high distinctions because no one can fail, because then the business would fail, and that is what university is all about today, business, not education.

Research is not done anymore, within the Arts at least.

The one and only ideology present is the dominant one in society, that of the market, the consumer, the 'test', the presentation of image, the illusion of 'education' has triumphed.

The dangerous ideas wrung from those who did 'book learning' will fade away in a very short time.

The Quads will fill with eager young things ready to start the day with a prayer.

Summer has returned Runner, smell the daisy in the meadow, drink the Pimms and cucumber mix, punt your way to heaven in your boater and striped blazer. God has returned to university, and we are back in Oxford, in 1248.

Would you like to go back even further, like individual does, when peasants got paid nothing but worked all their days til they dropped?

You have nothing to fear, but for the clods uni's turn out today who will have no inkling of how to think creatively.

You must be pleased to know this, and that the slots are rapidly filling with academics who believe in 'healing rooms' rather than medicine.

What's this mean? "...which I assume was also paid for by the public purse. It also explains his leftist ideologies".

The churches eke out their living from the public purse too Runner, bludging on tax payers and not paying their way, but none of them own leftwing leanings, do they?

You cannot connect public funding to leftwing surely, otherwise Howard wouldn't have subbed his brother's bankrupt firm out with all that public money, and we wouldn't be talking about assisting the miners with a generous public subsidy just so they can keep going would we?
Posted by The Blue Cross, Thursday, 13 May 2010 3:30:48 PM
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What an excellent point The Blue Cross makes when he says

"The churches eke out their living from the public purse too Runner, bludging on tax payers and not paying their way".

I wonder how many religious devotee's would continue to harbour an interest in these religious businesses, if they were no longer Tax exempt?.

If you were looking at the approach in Spain in basic view Individual, you could say that the public servant's responsible for Govt financial meltdown should pay for their shortcomings now.

But realistically their is probably more to it than just that
Posted by thinker 2, Thursday, 13 May 2010 6:09:32 PM
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The Blue Cross

Next you will be telling me that most uni lecturers are going to vote Liberal at the next election.

You write

'Students with no aptitude get credits, distinctions and high distinctions because no one can fail, '

Who is it opposing the recent tests held in schools? It has always been the left that has dumbed everything down to the lowest level. Just look at their gw fantasies that they insist are scientific.

Try walking around the ANU with a shirt supporting Tony Abbot and you are likely to be spat upon. You really are a bit delusional.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 13 May 2010 6:33:16 PM
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I am very pleased to hear that people might spit on an Abbott T shirt at ANU.

All is not lost after all... but would they also spit on a Rudd-Gillard T shirt?

One hopes so.

Umm... teachers unions are nest of rightwing vipers. They represent some of the most reactionary middleclass people around, outside of the forces anyway.

But they object to the tests, as do many other people, because the tests are a waste of time, and money.

Even Dr. Kevin Donnelly can see that now, although he is just as likely to have changed his mind because Howard is not doing it, Gillard is, since the evidence for the nonsense that the tests are has existed for a long time.

As for 'dumbing things down to the lowest level', excuse me, but really!

There can be nothing so simple as 'blind faith', where absolutely no thinking whatsoever is required.

Anyway, you can't have it both ways.... if Gillard is part of a left wing government, how come she is forcing these tests on leftwing teachers?

They can't both be leftwing can they? (in fact, they are both showing broad rightwing signs, particularly Gillard).
Posted by The Blue Cross, Thursday, 13 May 2010 6:53:13 PM
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I truly believe that a wage & benefit freeze on the public payroll will be a far better stimulus than the stimulus package. Add to that non-miliary National service & you have the foundation of a strong economic community. Unless the public payroll gets more aligned with the private sector payroll you'll never get even close to a sustainable economy. As every new tyre needs balancing to prevent wobbling so does the economy. Cutting wages serves no purpose whereas freezing them does. No-one is suggesting that the Public Service is not part of the economic make up of a Nation but I believe Public Servants need to come to understand that there handsome benefits come from those who work for less. This isn't a sustainable economic foundation at all.
Posted by individual, Friday, 14 May 2010 6:34:30 AM
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Individual...since it seems you are a public servant, why not volunteer yourself for a wage freeze?

If that is not possible, then how about filling out a tithe form to the St. James Ethics Centre for, say, about $100 a month, to reduce your rising income just a little bit?

As I understand the flow of monies, higher wages all get spent, and go to 'small business' as well as big ones like Hardly Normal and Woolies, feeding the consumer based economy we 'enjoy'.

Any break on that will close the economy down.

Yes, a pyramid scheme writ large it may be, but that's what we all support here by insisting we live as we do.

The slave army you propose is typical of rightwing non-thinking. Presumably you would have every person doing this, without exception at all?

Two years of people doing not very much, and creating a massive cost as an entire army of managers and supervisors are created, doing nothing useful but shouting at people who resent being a slave-to-stupidity.

Why don't you read a little bit about Mussolini, and the fascist state he built up, one that many people here wanted to re-create, like Santamaria, and before him there is a taste of it in DH Lawrences book Kangaroo, and the goons that cut the harbour bridge ribbon.

I suspect you will not be offering yourself for slavery, and will resent reducing your income as I have suggested.

There are quite reasonable steps that might be taken in public service employment, maybe ridding us of the political advisors that hang around all political parties, but mostly I fear it will involve employing more people, not less.

Ian Hickey spoke on 'Fran' yesterday, telling us all how more staff are needed in mental health, and we clearly need more dentists to fix Australia's Pommy Teeth epidemic, we need more bus drivers, and bus builders, and train tracks, and train drivers and carriage builders, and fewer truck drivers than are presently being planned for.

Maybe we really don't need your job though?
Posted by The Blue Cross, Friday, 14 May 2010 8:43:43 AM
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