WAU

Your claim that I am:

>> anti-christian, 'verbal bash ALL catholics and christians campaign' <<

I have never written anything approaching your claim above. You mistake criticism for attack. A common response by many people who feel their belief system is under question.

1. If the majority of mainstream Catholics have taken action against the excesses of their leaders - why are children still being abused?

2. I am also critical of bullies - many organisations including religion attract people who see opportunities to control others.

3. There is no place for the special exemptions that organisations receive just because they are religious - they need to be judged on the same criterion as any other human configuration.

4. Nowhere have I "slandered" anyone.

WAU

If you genuinely think I have overstepped the rules of OLO then please complain to the moderator.

Further:

I find your comments vis a vis my personal issues regarding my mother as utterly disingenuous and not required given your excessive rant against what is simply my opinion.

You are guilty of bullying Christians and catholics via your generalisations and slander, placing every catholic in the same basket from previous postings Severin.

You still fail to answer questions and challenges; instead choosing to chant your anti-christian and catholic lines based upon ignorance and media coverage.

Your view regarding 'catholics' in general is grossly unfair, inaccurate and I daresay hurtful to many christian and/or catholic OLO readers around Australia who are 'out there' in both their working professions and personally, greatly assisting people such as yourself and mother.

I indicated in earlier comments on both threads, one of which, was to TBC: the Australians you are generalising about may be your doctors, nurses, people who are looking after you people generalising about christians and catholics.

This is in a nutshell my point and stance on Australians who bully christians and catholics slandering and generalising and making assumptions about other peoples lives and thoughts not knowing them.

I ask you for the third time Severin:

Q: what actions do yourself and TBC propose to take, as fellow Australians, in relation to addressing the cover-ups alleged of the catholic system

WAU

Was this written in haste, or do you mean what you seem to say?

"Many catholics who are assisting children in many ways, including abuse and paedophilia".

I am not sure that abusing children is the same as assisting them, but what would I know?

Maybe it is just 'the Catholic way'?

I am engaged in many things to at least attempt to bring a halt to the steely grip religions have in and on our lives.

Each quite small, but with luck they will grow as others join in, which they are.

A very simple step, perhaps you might like to join in too?, is to write to the 'devout Catholic' premier of NSW and request that she keeps her nose out of the St. James Ethics Centre trial, already approved by her predecessor.

She says she is 'nobody's guuuuurl', but she seems to have something going with Jensen.

The grubs from the ACL, Jensen and Pell are protesting that their market-share of raw new recruits is being knicked from them in schools by a group trying to impart something about 'ethics'.

Now, clearly the Vatican have little idea what the word means, but neither does the Sydney Anglican church.

Paedophilia comes in different shades, and one of them is the brainwashing of young children into the 'arcane mysteries' of religion.

Let us reform our society by starting here, and ridding our public schools of the mumbo-jumbo the Jensens and Pells wish to impose on all.

This does not prevent any parent from distorting their child's mind, at home, in the church, where ever they wish to have their child abused.

Sadly, it is not only legal, many see it as being required to make a 'full person'.

Hmm, doubtful at best.

Now, what are you doing, apart from supporting the corrupt structures you so love?

WAU

>>> Q: what actions do yourself and TBC propose to take, as fellow Australians, in relation to addressing the cover-ups alleged of the catholic system <<<

What I have been doing for years; writing, speaking out and urging people to take action against child abusers - much as I am doing here.

All of which amounts to a mountain compared to your molehill of whining and insult.

Ah, we x-posted WAU, although yours sounds like a cross post to me.

I have no idea who Severin is, and neither does Severin know me, as far as I know anyway, so 'we' are doing nothing together, because we only have an e-meet here on OLO.

You raise an interesting point of view.... should I be looking at people around me trying to determine whether or not they are Catholics?

What if my dentist is a Sikh? Does that affect her ability to help me?

Or my GP, who is a Buddhist, should she be dropped so I can get better care from some Catholic GP?

My protestant newsagent, does he serve me as well as a Catholic one might?

Look, I am not interested in what religion people claim, or if they do, or do not.

It doesn't get factored into my thinking about them. And I am not interested in 'saving' people who suffer from 'religion'...it simply does not concern me... until I find that 'the religion card' is being played on or against me.

I shoo those horrible door knockers away but that is about as aggressive as I get.

Now, you have no idea if Severin and I are Australian do you?

"what actions do yourself and TBC propose to take, as fellow Australians, in relation to addressing the cover-ups alleged of the catholic system".

Well, I am not a playing member of the Vatican team, so can do nothing from within.

But you can, and no doubt are, and will detail your strategy to us all, while recruiting your fellow Vaticanites here to assist you, will you not?

Severin and I may wish to extend a helping e-hand, or not, we'll all see what your in-house plan is first.

As for outside, well, I am engaged in my own work, 'don't you worry about that', but it deals with the imposed powers of religions, including that of your mob.

I see no profit in dealing with one part of the corrosion, when all of it needs a spring clean.

WAU,

Severin has said nothing like you clim from my reading. I somehow think that some right-brain emotional attachment can at times make one too inclined to turn-off left brain processes.

Working on the assumption skeptics, atheists, Catholics and religionists in general agree on one thing, paedophilia must be stopped, we should unite to do so.

From this particular skeptic's point of view, belief in gods is an anthropoligical-sociological phenomenon, aided by high brain-low brain relationships, reinforcement schedules and "indwelling" in the performances of communities of practice & rites. However, it does not follow, I would like to the world crash down on little old ladies who go to church and find comfort in their faith. Yet, in our historically, every since the teachings of a humanist mendicant were usurped over three century centuries later, to create the Holy Roman Empire, which spans the persecution of the pagans to the covering-up paedophilia; we have a sick institution.

If Christian people whom wish to believe is/was Jesus divine (noting not all traditions maintain this claim) and if parishioners do not condone Christian History up until the present, there should act now, to protect moral fundamentals that go beyond the Pope and his agenda.

Secular law and non-religionists would I suspect work with religious reformers to cleanse Christianity of its old baggage