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The Forum > General Discussion > Do you believe in the survival of the mind-personality, or soul, after death? Why or Why not?

Do you believe in the survival of the mind-personality, or soul, after death? Why or Why not?

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Foxy,
I take lessons from the ant and my native bees our importance is in our existence. I don't believe in that the point of life is not our soul in the future but what we do now and how will we leave a better legacy for others. As the poem goes

"No man is an Island, entire of itself;
every man is a piece of the Continent,
a part of the main"

To assert a unique soul asserts the hubris of separateness (superiority) and therefore justification for indifference to others and selfishness.
I accept we are imperfect but it is only through trying that our lives become worthwhile.
Posted by examinator, Monday, 29 March 2010 3:20:34 PM
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Dear Houellie,

I prefer this take on things:

"For almost every worldy source of happiness
there is a fear-based reason to worry.
We may have incredible children, for instance,
but a day doesn't go by that we're not concerned
about their welfare for one reason or another.
The very fact that we love our children so much,
juxtaposed with all the dangers in the world,
is enough to keep parents anxious. We may have
a great career, but the pressures are intense.
We may have wonderful relationships, but people
are still people. We may have a lovely home but
there are big responsibilities to that one too.

Children are happy because they don't yet have
a file in their minds called, "All the Things That
Could Go Wrong." They don't have a mind-set that
puts "Things to Fear" before "Things to Love."
Children are happy because they don't have all the
facts yet.

Facts are what we must completely let go of if we
want to be happy. We must DECIDE to fly above the
turmoil if we really want to fly above it.

We must ignore maturely, not immaturely, a whole
realm of so called meaning. As long as our self-
identification centers around what we call the REAL
world, no profound happiness is possible.

Happiness requires that we give up wordly orientation -
not wordly THINGS but a wordly attachment to things.

We have to surrender all outcomes. We have to live
here but appreciate the joke..."
(taken from - Marianne Willliamson's, "Illuminata.")

So, Houellie, what Marianne Williamson is saying -
Just as children play games in which they pretend to be adults,
and thus pave the way for adulthood, so you and I must
pretend to be noble, enlightened spirits just visiting
here, in order to actually become them.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 29 March 2010 3:27:54 PM
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Dear Severin,

Who knows what can happen?
I feel that anything is possible.
I'd like to cite from the book
I gave in my opening post by Prof.
Carre:

"Another apparently simple fact for us is
"time." You would say, wouldn't you, that
time goes on and that it doesn't go back?
Yesterday is yesterday - today is today,
and never the twain shall meet. But what if
they do meet?

In 1901 two ladies who had both been Principals of
St. Hugh's College, Oxford, were walking in the
grounds of the Trianon in Paris. They met and were
addressed by people wearing the constumes of 1789.
They saw woods and a bridge which are no longer there
and subsequent research gave reason to suppose that
one of the people whom they met was Marie Antoinette
herself..."

Strange isn't it? but we can't dismiss it as absurd.
It's just one example of extraordinary happenings
that can't be explained. And it's experiences like
these that have persuaded people to consider the
existence of a spiritual world alongside or perhaps
inside the "matter of fact" one.

Dear Examinator,

Thank You for making me smile - but I'm not a cougar ;-)
I actually prefer older men, not with money - that
doesn't matter to me at all - because I'm self-
supporting, but with character - and a sense of humour!

I respect your opinion on the topic - but I still feel
there's a heck of a lot that can't be explained in this
world of ours.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 29 March 2010 3:50:25 PM
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'Just as children play games in which they pretend to be adults,
and thus pave the way for adulthood, so you and I must
pretend to be noble, enlightened spirits just visiting
here, in order to actually become them.'

Or we could pretend to be a child, and just be happy. Even just be.
You can have noble and enlightened to yourself, I've no need for such grandiose posturing.
Posted by Houellebecq, Monday, 29 March 2010 4:16:35 PM
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snake quote..<<''where do all these extra souls come from as our population increases.''>>...think of life spirits evolving..[ie a spirit must evolve through the different lives...till it reaches the highest incarnation[mankind]..from here we evolve higher/but not encased/sewn into skins

to simplify...see your/mine previous incarnations..could be lower human..or higher beasts..[often we see humans acting like the beast..of their previous incarnation/reverting to their base nature

many achiving the human incarnation revert back to the beast..or again into human form...we are each presented a life previeuw..there are those who seek certain lessons..who chose the seemingly bad that will occure in their next life

like a truelly vile person might incarnate/seking to balance their vile..by becoming a victim/this time..but there are so many reasons we chose this life/incarnation

<<Are they brand new ones..?>>not all/[in fact not any is..'new'...see that this human form is unique[only 9 in the universe/according to swedenberg/noting this one is the only one that has the ability to make words/read etc[a gift we share with angels]

<<Where did the original ones come from?>>collectivly all come from the wholy spirit/think of god as the sum total of the world/wide/web..we as individual computers...part of/made to function/..because we each are a single cell/in the web

we are intimatly connected to the life force/..via the silver cord in our belly/button/influx..the life force flows and exit's via our crown/head and the negative earths via our feet/we literally are betwixt heaven/light/love/life...and hell/darkness hate/vile etc..

we are each allowed to chose between joinder to heaven/or hell/and the many realms in between...in time we all spiritually evolve into suns/..radiating gods light into our own sphere..have our own let there be light moment..becomming the master of our own solar system..or reincarnating yet again into the lessor incarnations
Posted by one under god, Monday, 29 March 2010 5:13:50 PM
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Foxy,
Foxy
You are self supporting, I'm older, poor and have a sense of humour....Hmmmm. :-)

Joke girl!

I agree that there are several things we don't know and are unlikely as a species ever likely too. However, I think it's the height of human arrogance or ignorance to assert that we as individuals, have a purpose separate from humankind. Especially given we can't exist/reproduce or as a an individual.

At the very basis we need a father and a mother, then one or both to survive untill we can learn to survive. Even if we do that, we need others to survive etc. Then we need another genetic stock to breed with.

We are a social animal and the purpose of being social is mutual survival. 7 billion people don't survive as individuals they Need others.

It seems to me that in the most basic terms our purpose for life is in those 'communities'/societies. Instead of creating reasons to live exist do the correct thing it's there the whole time.
Hence we are of Humanity and should try to live that way.

That doesn't imply we are castes like bees. But without the collective we have no intrinsic meaning. Sadly some tend to create hierarchical groups based on human created pseudo meaning..
Posted by examinator, Monday, 29 March 2010 6:13:57 PM
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