I’m intrigued West why you consistently refer to; Christianity ruled dark ages; Surly if you applied the same scientific analogy you would realize it to be quite a remarkable assertion.

The Christian era is only 2000 years old, and we know well for fact that life goes back a lot, lot further; and if you read that book I posted, you would understand it, even if it is a probable theory. Apposed to an improbable theory.

The intent would seem to be a derogatory intention rather than scientific probability ; would you agree with that?

And to understand the premise of Scientific findings and Logic- Mathematics to Theistic Philosophy etc to rational probability in the absents of hard fact, if no other- they are attributes learnt from Hellenism ,; are they not?

Then if not Hellenism, then who was before them?

And what inspired them- and why are their similarity in languages, expressions, cultural plurality and beliefs all over the world in certain tribal beleifs, if it is not learned from the one source originally.
Even if you wish to argue dates.
A genetic Mutation perhaps.

Its one thing Not to know the complete answers, it is another to make one up as you go along.

kartiya jim:

re sensitive matters, surely you'd agree that being non-PC, epsecially on matters Aboriginal, in unis can land you in hot water. I'll bet the overwhelming research on Aboriginal problems focuses on symptoms first, also on what others can do - often couched in vague, simplistic language - eg. 'a treaty', but very little emphasis on what they can do for themselves.

"The present government refuses to make a separate Ministry to help Aboriginal People overcome their problems; this proves Howard and his National lackeys are hopeless"

Another govt dept? More Howard bashing? Heard it all before. Too simplistic. Don't buy it.

"saying Sorry for past injustices"

What exactly does 'sorry' achieve? sorry for what? how phrased? I suspect the sorry comes with strings attached. a legal land-mine? Saying sorry also does absolutely nothing to change the all important vitals. What tangible improvements do you think saying sorry would have for, say the Aborigines residing in the Todd River, Alice, often in a state of dilirium? Methinks none.

"and lack of an Internationally recognised Treaty"

treaty? with which group? the details? any thoughts? there never will be one while the Aborigines themselves are so divided. And, guessing, the more multicultural & global we become, the chances of a treaty will further diminish. We are increasingly made up of foreign born residents, & they will rightly ask: what's this treaty & apology thing with all the strings attached got to do with me?

"Many Aborigines... receive much less than they need to lift their basic health and education-vital ingredients for a fulfilling life."

Don't buy. If they spent the money they get wisely, no good reason why the vitals can't improve big time.

"All this neglect may make the "ostrich club" feel good "

All this neglect doesn't make anyone feel good. It's a blight. It's in everyone's interest for the Aborigines to become integrated into the global economy. I think the only 'ostrich club' out there is the one that thinks that by creating one more govt office, & spending more taxpayers hard-earned, that is the answer. A mirage.

Sorry, this belongs on another thread!

All the Christian "era" would be no longer than 1300 years old begining after 330. I refer to Christianity as a dark age superstition because it is a superstition constructed in the darkages and represents major slips backwards for civilisation in Europe where Christianity held power.

As far as making things up as one goes along , I leave that to theologians, ID pushers and god believers. Afterall we are discussing a group which plays a game liken to dungeons and dragons whose game has spilt over and is conflicting with the real world. I certainly would not tolerate my children to be exposed to darkage superstition just for the self gratification of the self deluded. This is the basis of what we are discussing here , immature game players who will do anything to push innocent people into that game for no other reason than self gratification.

If I am wrong you will demonstrate it by proving god exists and providing the missing links of "Intelligent Design".

West and others,
if you want to be entertained then watch these youtube video's (two very short ones and a long creationist v Evolution debate:

The Hovind debate:(It's quite long)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMpk7WerFWw&mode=related&search=

Video of a schoolaged boy talking about evolution. He says that evolutionists have credentials and creationist don’t and that people who don’t believe in evolution are misinformed.
"Very few scientists support ID/Creationism!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTY1K3KIr8A&mode=related&search=


A reaction to the boy's video.
This one would be very hilarious if it wasn’t so serious: some creationist freak trying to convince the kid that his teachers are all liars. I find this guy quite scary.
"Re: Very few scientists support ID/Creationism!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr5gs4KQqZU

Pushing a game west: I agree, some do that, and have always done that, but that is dealing in subject of neural psychology;

And as Cilivia Quotes, most scientists do not believe that rubbish; {Paraphrased}
Cilivia, you answered your own question; as a staunch atheist, you have an agenda to prove, and as you have done so, in attempts to belittle science and truth and those who think out side of a narrow passage.
A great number of professionals do actually think on the same lines as I do, but because of the ridicule and contempt displayed by contemporary society who have no room for believing in anything other than what they feel comfortable with for that moment;
That’s why most will not bother or attempt to navigate through the thoughtless nothingness of insults- derogatory commentary- because in the end that is what distinguishes free thinking minds and those that have obscured Totalitarian intent.
You can think and believe what ever you like; with in reason.
There are some of us who know.

I am wondering West with the high contempt for Christianity and the voodoo, what say you about Communism and Fascism ?
I better throw in Islam also, seeing that date corresponds to your above date line.