Workers are being trained, after the death of work choices delegates are again being trained.
How many know union safety training was outlawed under work choices.
Every day, believe me, I give handouts post wall posters and re enforce the view safety first.
And until you have been a throw away human, a casual you do not understand what pressure is, stand up for safety, your rights, even personal protective equipment yours free by law and you have no job.
As TBC shows in sight in every post antiseptic shows only blind bias and a failure to know reality in construction.
Unions sitting on peak body's never insured they would be heard, here, in this thread proof exists they called for changes but it never came.
A reasonable person would not discount the truth or doubt it.
poor training from bad bosses bought about these deaths.
Tell me some one you anti worked for who would send kids into old roof cavity's to die, tell me you doubt money meant more to some than worker safety.

Well Belly

the boss for this scheme was the labor party

so they are responsible

they are the ones in government

they are the ones who make policy

They are the ones who created this scheme

for those who do not see that which is easy then are not looking for the truth but just passing the time.

Facts belly Facts

TAPP you are aware, I do not value your comments.
And that I do not wish to talk to you.
You remember that information, not true but passed to another contributor about my work place.
How it was used to try to harm me at work.
I believe mate you are not aware just how much you are out of touch with truth reality and that Aussie mantra &fair go mate&
No flexibility in your posts, again and again you give your local member a serve, yet he in no way, at all, has anything to do with this subject.
I understand if I stop replies to your rants, you may go away, that those who have not seen you around are finding reason to ignore you.
But your insults to my whole life, my whole reason to live, the union movement, a better more responsive movement can not be ignored.
Look at the time, know soon I start a 270 klm trip each way, to visit workers who are my mates, no strutting bantam rooster here bloke.
I will be glad to see them, they me, mates, you insult your dad ,his history in unionism is noted your lack of ability to see, to remain linked to the real world is noted too.
But I while sympathetic to your problems can never respect you, ever.
Your facts mate are untrue, not in any way honest your vendettas are however.

belly:"Unions sitting on peak body's never insured they would be heard, here, in this thread proof exists they called for changes but it never came."

Well, I must have missed that proof, Belly, perhaps you'd be so kind as to point it out to me?

I note that this morning the CFMEU is still trying to distance themselves and the Union movement from Garrett and at last they're discussing safety. Perhaps this thread wasn't a waste of time after all.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/govt-to-spend-10m-to-retrain-axed-installers-20100221-omxv.html

"The Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union said the government must now ensure that safety was the number one priority under the new scheme."

Must NOW ensure that safety is number one priority? What about before, when they were in charge of the steering committee that wrote the rule book?

"Mr Noonan was reluctant to be pulled into the question of Mr Garrett's future in his role as environment minister.

"It's construction workers, our members, that suffer when people die in the workplace, and one government minister quitting ... is not going to make any difference to that," he said."

As I said, Garrett is nothing but a patsy for the political aspirations of "good union men" and the dead workers are just "collateral damage".

It's a disgrace and you should be ashamed, not defending the scum who let it happen.

Belly:"poor training from bad bosses bought about these deaths."

No, poor training from a Union-designed training program which all installers were supposed to attend caused these deaths.

You still haven't answered my simple question: do you have any evidence that any of the employers of the dead workers failed to fulfil the requirements of the Union-controlled steering committee?

It's a simple enough question, isn't it? How about a simple answer?

Belly:"Tell me some one you anti worked for who would send kids into old roof cavity'"

Telstra, Optus, Communications Networks Australia, Australian Broadband Cabling, Phone Systems Australia, University of Queensland, John Holland
Working in ceiling spaces is hot and it is hazardous in terms of electrical wiring, but it was Union-approved training that made it fatal.

Oh, i forgot to mention ABB, Areva, Downer EDI and Comet Communications.

I'll let you know if I can recall any more employers who routinely send people into old roofs to do work. Of course, none of them rely on the union-mandated training that the poor dead insulation installers did...

RobP (sorry-part1 of 2)

I'd like to think that shows like Q&A were helping to forge a new awareness within the electorate, but I suspect that is not the case.

I've pretty well given up watching it, because a) the politicians on it simply fail to understand how they reinforce the perception that they are liears, dills and 'avoiders', so clearly they do not believe the audiences are requiring anything different, and b) the ABC sticks on dodgy 'personalities' who frequently have nothing useful to say at all.

It might be time to put some 'ordinary Australians' on instead, plucked at random from the street.

We might then see better why and how politicians have no need to moderate their behaviour or improve their thinking.

The dispute between belly and atispetic and others seems destined to go nowhere though.

Whoever designed the training is not the underlying issue. The scheme might have been well intentioned, but it was not designed to work. And I do not mean that it was designed to fail, but that it was poorly conceived and clearly not policed at all.

Those involved in the work have a responsibility to themselves to work safely... those employing them have a duty of care to ensure they do, whatever the standard of the training.

The weight of power falls with the employer, particularly when casual work is involved, or there are no 'unfair dismissal' rules in place.

People can and do, do unsafe things inadvertently in the workplace, and the home for that matter, and particularly on the road. That seems to be a fact-of-life.

So, one hopes that workplace training is good, and is conducted properly. However, I see in my local paper that this is yet another industry, with Cert 2,3,4 training given out by all manner of people intent on making a buck.

All complying with national training standards no doubt, but I'd guarantee there is a vast difference between suppliers.

Driving schools produce new drivers, who have to pass a standard test, but how many are actually 'safe' when they drive out alone?