CJ, I too am disgusted with that comment from 'septic.
A new low for him.
He should be struck off this forum. :(

Anti

"Barren"? Where do you find such language?

ROFL

For reasons of fertility, I have had to take the pill, which is why, with better knowledge, my doctor won't prescribe it for me any longer - you ignoramus.

CJ, I do also agree with Cornflower's proposal that the pill be more available, particularly for third world women, however to suggest that it is not without side-effects and is safer than paracetamol is irresponsible at best and ignorant at worst.

However, there is no denying the contraceptive pill's part in freeing women to enjoy sex without the 9 month consequence. Along with the freedom to no-strings sex came the emancipation - women were better educated, could seek careers, were no longer dependent on men for a home and finance. Major improvement; for both sexes, except for a few disgruntled Bitter and Twisted men whose control was neutered.

Suzeonline

Anti' by his own words is his own worst enemy - why would I bother reading in full, posts where I am personally vilified? Yet he expects me to take him seriously. Not likely. While I do not always agree with him, I do read R0bert's posts because they are presented in civil language and he does not try to dominate which ever thread he is posting on.

Finally, Houellie

Thanks for reviving my old moniker, 'Fractelle', hopefully people will be interested enough to check out my substantial contributions to OLO.

Cheers

Classy response Fractelle.

Anti, how would you feel if you found out Fractelle couldn't have children and desperately wanted them? Would you feel bad at all? Just interested.

'hopefully people will be interested enough to check out my substantial contributions to OLO.'

What, 20 pages of 'excuse me for having an opinion while being female' and 'I wont be silenced'.

I too was rather taken aback at Anti's
comment, "Don't forget you're talking to
a woman who is "barren."

This is a perfect example of not thinking
before you post - because had he done so -
hopefully he would have realized just
how offensive that remark was and not used it.

As for the birth-control pill...
well that permitted a separation of the
pleasurable from the reproductive aspects of
sexual behaviour. It freed many women from
the fear of pregnancy.

In sharp contrast to the situation a few decades
ago, only a small minority of young people of both
sexes today feel it is desirable that a woman be a
virgin at the time of marriage. Nonetheless,
promiscuous behaviour in a woman is still more likely
to attract stigma than similar behaviour in a man -
although a strong sexual appetite in a woman is no
longer likely to be seen as a sign of psychological
maladjustment or "nymphomania."

One interesting effect of the changing relationships
of the sexes is that the responsibility for a
successful sexual encounter has been largely shifted
from the female to the male partner.

A common sexual "problem" in the past was female
"frigidity" - the inability of a woman to achieve
orgasm or even enjoy sex. Today "frigidity" has all but
disappeared, instead, the same problem is more likely
to be labeled as one of poor "performance" by the male.

Houellebecq:"how would you feel if you found out Fractelle couldn't have children and desperately wanted them?"

Neutral. To use a common phrase, "sh1t happens". How do you reckon she'd feel if I had defective testicles which prevented me from enjoying the "fruits of my loins"? do you reckon she'd hesitate to tell me that i had no place in a discussion about children (or the pill)?

Severin:""Barren"? Where do you find such language? "

It's called possessing a vocabulary, hon. Barren is quite an old word, originating around 1300 to refer to an infertile female, as in, "I had to get rid of the old sow, she was barren".

Severin:"Along with the freedom to no-strings sex came the emancipation - women were better educated, could seek careers, were no longer dependent on men for a home and finance."

Rubbish. As I pointed out earlier, women in my family have always been "emancipated". They've also had no trouble being mothers and avoiding having large litters of children.

As for "not being dependent on men", that seems not to have worked, given the existence of the Child Support Agency and the huge amounts of welfare spent on women who choose not to work...