correction.

That should read '7th Day Adventist genre'...

unHOLY... Thanx for the stimulating response:) I have a job thanks.

Just a quick touch on "your forgetting that Chrisians have been the WORST in rape murder etc"

Firstly, that is factually incorrect as has been repeatedly pointed out by a number of posters. I won't even bother to give the links, its a dead horse and no amount of flogging will bring it to its legs.

Secondly, no true 'Christian' would do any of those things. Refer to the teaching of Christ. So, the most that can be said is this:

"There have been many terrible and tragic things done by those calling themselves Christians" Consider the "Lords Resistance Army" in Uganda... c'mon.. lets have some fact based discussion here.

Regarding Sadaams "last" words ? Ok.. maybe not his exact last words, but close to it. It was the final statement he wised to have attributed to him. "There is no God but God..etc"

MOHAMMEDS LAST WORDS: (Hadith Bukhari)

I've since found that the last words of MOHAMMED are as follows:

Volume 4, Book 56, Number 660:
Narrated 'Aisha and Ibn 'Abbas:

On his death-bed Allah's Apostle put a sheet over his-face and when he felt hot, he would remove it from his face. When in that state (of putting and removing the sheet) he said, "May ALLAH'S CURSE be on the Jews and the Christians...."

wow ! lets add that to Quran 9:30 "Christians.... Allah's curse be on them, they are deluded and away from the truth"

Not bad going. We are doubly cursed by Islam and the chief Muslim.
Sounds like Pope Benedict was EXACTLY RIGHT.

Contrary to some opinions, I am not giving 'spin'... the evidence is b4 ur eyes.

Hi David,

The problem is that most christian fundamentalists believe this:

""they are deluded and away from the truth""

about anyone who doesn't believe in their version of god. Apparently I'm headed straight for hell because I don't believe in a god. Which would probably make me an atheist to some, but I only believe in one less god than you do - so it makes us both atheists really :-)

Religious beliefs of all variations have caused untold bloodshed and agony throughout history, which is the reason that many want to keep religion out of politics. Bush, Blair and Howard all have christian religious leanings and look at the state the world is in.

David , your trying to show us why George Bush is "EMPEROR", [according to your Bible]will get you bogged down in foggy ancient texts with a million interpretations .
The simple Ten Commandments are a better bet David ."Thou shalt not kill"etc etc.These are basic rules for all societies .No Emperor Bush Required.
We should remember the Lord was a "chippy" with Socialist leanings , not a well paid and well educated member of a domineering , upper ruling class .
Sadam was an Emperor in his own way too .

Freethinker...

yes.. if you wish to know how Christians understand the lot of non Christians... Romans 1:18 etc is the best place to look. But bear in mind, this is Gods position, not simply ours. You need to read the rest of Pauls letter in Romans to gain the full picture.

The BIG difference between Christians declaring that unbelievers are 'lost' is that we will not come and beat your family to death until you agree with us. We leave the wrath or judgement of God, on spiritual matters to Him. (not withstanding some abysmal attempts by various Popes and supposed Christian Emperors to do otherwise, contrary of course to Scripture)

Compare the Biblical picture with this:

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 386:
Narrated Jubair bin Haiya:

Al-Mughira speaking(a general sent by Omar, a companion of Mohammed)

Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master."

Do you not see some very serious reasons to be concerned about Islam as a faith... here is the real life interpetation of the Quran, by those intimately connected to Mohammed. (Omar) they received their understanding directly from him.

(I think I need to run a public SEMINAR :)

JIM -in a way I am suggesting Bush is 'Emperor' but not a perfect one.
I have PLENTY of issues with him, but I have more with the DEMS.
The point in Scripture about the Emperor, was the recognition that 'Authority' is required for societies to function. Romans 13 referred to a pagan Roman.

Thanx for all contributions :)

Not bad going. We are doubly cursed by Islam and the chief Muslim.
Sounds like Pope Benedict was EXACTLY RIGHT.

Contrary to some opinions, I am not giving 'spin'... the evidence is b4 ur eyes.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Thursday, 4 January 2007 2:20:54 PM

partial quotes are not spin'?

"May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians for they build places of worship at the graves of their prophets." (By that) he intended to warn (the Muslim) from what they (i.e. Jews and Christians) had done.

Who knows how accurate the translation was to English. However, at worst, he is calling for Muslims to NOT build places of worship at the graves of 'prophets'. You have a problem with this?