West said "Perhaps the dungeons and dragons players (Christians) in this thread could explain why Stanley Miller and Harold Urey's initial experiments showing the conversion of terrestrial chemicals to organic compounds was wrong and why subsequent experiments creating life over the next 50 years were also wrong."

Are you aware that the Miller-Urey experiment essentially confuted the theory of abiogenesis? The experiment produced less than half of the 20 amino acids required for life. Without the correct combination of 20 amino acids as a set, functional protein molecules cannot be produced. Subsequent experiments have yielded similar results. 50 years of "creating life" indeed. Maybe you should actually learn what constitutes life in the first place before you begin arguing in favour of spontaneous generation.

Oligarch;
That is right, and that is why now so many have rethought and revaluate the Evolutionary theory;
Even with lab technology and know how these day, they can only copy; (Clone), they can not create; and that is the principle underlying factor; D N A is only a copy of something that already exists, It can not copy something if it did not exist; Quite a simple principle some find hard to grapple with; That and the scientific implications of that.

You are right Oligarch dependent on the definition of molecular constitution of life. I don’t know where you get ‘spontaneous generation from, there is nothing magical about it is a process which in the field occurs continuously under in the favourable environment. Don’t confuse a low success rate with magic, the environment acts against success. The majority of pregnancies also self abort (not spontaneously, there is a reason) most sperm die, there is no ‘spontaneity’ in the beginning of life. Pregnancy is a good example of evolution as it mirrors the continuum and change in organism from the nutritional (geological) conversion in the parent to the resulting (so far) primate.

Of course genome reduction has come a long way in the past half a decade and we could debate where life begins especially if we are philosophically burdened and require neat classification to suite the trends of our times. In the end life exists and it evolved without gods or ufo’s. As far as getting across to the Stone Age minds that accept the new age cult of ID the connection Miller and Urey demonstrated is sufficient. There will be a fine line between self replication and ‘life’. The point being there is no magic, no evidence of magic, no omnipresent magician and no evidence of an omnipresent magician. There is evidence and evidence of direct connection between geology and biology. Yes the Greeks hit upon it through the self amusement of philosophy but the reality of evolution is not philosophy.

Alls notion is based on that some educated people are superstitious therefore superstition is given credibility. Evolution goes beyond the biological - tracking back to the evolution of elements. The catalyst for elemental transmutation is nuclear fission.

Alls there is no voodoo ID for science to grapple with.

Thanks west, you have actually activated a memory cell where I have read such things;
Merry Shelly
Isaac Asimov
And
Jacques Vallee.

I’ll have a few leptons on the rocks please.
Would you like them Fission Reacted or Particle accelerated;
Spare us please West ‘ I can’t handle this, you win.
Now where did I put that Voodoo doll?

There is no evidence that information is added to the DNA of a single healthy species by natural selection. It is currently being tried by outside intelligence. All the information of the species is contained within the species, and any changes by mutation is demonstrated to be detremental to the health of the species. Only be applying human intelligence upon the situation by introducing new genetic information to a weakness in the species or to make a species more select.

All experimentation is governed by an outside intelligence and dependent upon the intelligence; this does not happen in natural environment - detremental mutations are the result of natural environment. The natural order often drops genetic information it does not add information not found in the species. The situation should demonstrate there are more mutations from the original than there are from any emergence of species. From this observed demonstration evolution should have originated in the highest creatures / species of the life form and ended in evolution in reverse. Rather than beginning with primitive forms it began with the species with the most genetic information, and through mutation information is lost. Evolution does not prove life is emerging to higher forms but to lower lesser forms. That is why man now has to step in to add information to damaged and degraded life. Human intelligence is being applied because detoriation is occurring.

However there is no intelligence or design being applied from outside the species remember!

Absolute and complete and utter nonsense philo.