The flat earth comparison is nothing but a crude red herring. Darwinian evolution is where the focus should be as the ability of random mutation plus natural selection to account for all life is a just-so story - a narrative of an unrepeatable, unobserved past. Anyone with any critical thinking ability whatsoever would immediately discern that RM plus NS explaining the origin of all species is nothing more than unfalsifiable speculation. Gravity and a round earth are not just-so stories but things that can observed, measured, and tested precisely and repeatably. Anyone who persists with the flat earth analogy either isn't playing with a full deck or is simply disingenuous.

All, I think it's great if Enoch describes the earth as a sphere. What is even more interesting about that is that christians have persecuted others for saying that the earth is round.

Something that should be kept in mind by fundy types as they cling to cherished interpretations of the bible and seek to foist them on others.

R0bert

R0bert is right as you Christians in this thread are clear indication that ID will sink Christianity with it. Rather than pour over your bible go back to the source of “bible science’ to the heathen astronomy of Ptolemy. Hebrews had no science as pre and later Judea were the Afghanistan of the classical world.

Perhaps the dungeons and dragons players (Christians) in this thread could explain why Stanley Miller and Harold Urey's initial experiments showing the conversion of terrestrial chemicals to organic compounds was wrong and why subsequent experiments creating life over the next 50 years were also wrong.

Perhaps the dungeons and dragons players could prove there is no geological origin of ribonucleic acid which contains the building blocks of DNA.

Perhaps the dungeons and dragons players could prove there are no pre bio-polymers containing thiamin and deoxyribose which directly connects all living things to dirt.

Although chemical engineers are pipe and heater people I am still amazed Philo holds no understanding of chemical synthesis and the role of catalysts and so in absence of that understanding decides that magic must be answer.

Children should be taught facts at school, not crap.
They can be offered theories but it has to be made very clear to them that these are theories only and are only ‘beliefs’ of some people.
Presenting unproven truths to children as if they were proven facts is cultural deprivation at least.

Since there is no evidence at all that there exists a God, religious schools should not be funded for teaching that there is one, as a fact.
Schools, teaching kids the ‘flat earth theory’ and other nonsense and present these things as facts or truths, should not be allowed to exist.

Teachers of ‘flat earth theory’ would have to stop kids from finding out the truth (that the world is not flat, square and stationary); would teachers actually go as far as telling kids that if they believe in a round earth, they go to hell? One may never question the bible!

If, according to creationists, God has always existed, then it took him longer than it took evolution (like billions of years) to create people, since God is said to have done his 6-days-magic about 6000-10,000 years ago. Righto.

The good thing about science is, that science exists to find out facts- it attempts to prove a theory without bias. It disposes of theories that are proven untrue, and are open to new theories.
The thing about religion is that it is stationary, dead, and, let’s call it ‘flat’.
Creationist will not admit that their theory is wrong or they’d have to admit that the bible is wrong, and as West pointed out, this would mean the end of their religion.

Thanks Robert, but you would have found the Book of Enoch very interesting non the less, You also must take into consideration that when the BOOK was constituted , a great many other events were not recorded; contributing to this factor is the very same as you see today; You must also realize that throughout time Civilizations were raised and they were destroyed much faster, thus the world returned to primitivism and Barbarity: Do not think for a moment we are exclude.
But before anyone dismisses the case totally, Does anyone have much knowledge about Mexico and the South Americas for a different approach; I only mention this because the Time Line of Ancient History and Archeology pre dates the Egyptian Pyramids in the vicinity of 1 thousand years;
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/4032
It is a book, you are able to download.
It might shake Ranier up up bit.

Which brings me to another point West ;
Have a read of this publication from the 18 th Century; Relax, it is not a Religious book; but it may be of some interest to you.
That’s meant on a serious note not derogatory; It’s a bit hard to type emotions.

Celivia
I actually agree with you to a point, But it is also to be a good note that many professionals in scientific fields, both Physics of many types, and Advanced Astro physics and cosmology; etc The finding are quite remarkable, but the field that is becoming even more technical but even more revealing than D N A, (Boring Book), is Quantum quark Physics;
You are correct, it is near impossible to prove or disprove.

But that is why it is called faith; everyone is independent enough to believe in what ever they wish; or with in reason, I suppose that’s the whole point.
High quality knowledge can be obtained from most publications pre dating the 19 50's. The obvious point to that date line is from there after , is when epistemology was arrested and executed.
Actually More like Murdered.

Sorry Robert, I should have been more specific.
The Translated book of Enoch (Greek probably) then to Slovene language , was only discovered in the late 18th century, technically archived as “The Slovak Enoch”, and discussed in full by Prof Revlo Oliver. Chapter 9
To date they have only discovered small sections of Archived named Enoch 1 “Original”, and not in its full compliment.
The implications were it was hidden, and the Slovak Enoch was hidden deep in an ancient structure as it was believed it was the only remaining publication; estimated 2 to 3 thousand years old in writing, but obviously hidden deliberately from destruction by the onset of the Mohammadian wars.
Thus the difference in interpretations,
Also note Zoroastrian; Zarathustra.
Also note the time line; well before the Christian era, But.

A little bit more useless Archeological information for some; But valuable to others; to store.