For all you morally secure, I would like you to give me your opinions on this.

A single mum unable to speak the language has two children One nine and the other four.

She gets pregnant and adopts the child out.

She gets pregnant again she has a back yard abortion which goes wrong.
She finishes up in hospital for a hysterectomy .
Should she have known better getting pregnant the second time should she have gone through with the second pregnancy? that means another one on the Social security.
She is also a devout Lutheran.
What is your opinion.

examiner, hmmm your post is hard to examine.

"A single mum unable to speak the language has two children One nine and the other four" which language, and why.

I was in exactly the same position, I was a single father with two children, one 9, the other 14 after my wife passed away.

What about the fathers, men contribute to children, if you don't know how there are plenty of places on the net where you can get a very graphic explaination.

"She gets pregnant and adopts the child out."

see above, no mention of the father and good choice, I am adopted, I have since met my birth mother and some of her family and I am so grateful she made the decision she did.

"She is also a devout Lutheran." so ..... oops don't Christians make mistakes, did Jesus die for nothing?

"She gets pregnant again she has a back yard abortion which goes wrong." ... I hope that the law was contacted, abortions, rightly or wrongly are easily available.
"She finishes up in hospital for a hysterectomy ." .. not an unusual outcome which is why we legalised abortion.

"Should she have known better getting pregnant the second time" .. better than what, we know nothing about pregnancies number 1 or 2, her status, relationship with the father, etc.

"should she have gone through with the second pregnancy?" .. see previous answer.

"that means another one on the Social security." .. and it makes me proud to live in a country where, if we muck up (letter substitution is allowed here), there is a safety net, or if she is used, abused and mucked around (letter substitution is allowed here too) with by some guy (which is usually the case) then she can be rescued.

Does this give you an idea of my view after examining a fairly broad series of statements.

examinator,

Do you have any information on this woman's sexual partners. who (one presumes) assisted in bringing about her pregnancies?

Should we not question the moral turpitude of her partners and/or their lack of contraception, as well?

Dear Examinator,

I can't make a moral judgement on this woman
until all the facts are known about this case.

We need more information or reference to a website.

I would say this woman is no better or no worse than anyone else on OLO. She made bad choices which were made easier by the secular society we live in. She might be a devoted Lutheran but it appears she is not a devout Christian otherwise she would not get into such a mess. Thinking secularly leads you into this sort of situation. If she was thinking biblically she would only consider sex in the safe bounds of marriage.

Those who have responded have seen through the trap I was attempting to set for some of our button down 'christian' (?) moralistic posters.

The woman was my mum, she was a Latvian refugee, freed from a German Labour camp 1945 which was turned into a refugee camp overnight.

He hubby had been 'disappeared' by the Germans 1943.

She had lost one child en rout to the camp. 1944

Once here, she may have offered favours for advantages for her children.
I was one consequence.(father unknown)
Apparently, not uncommon here in 1949/50s.. Many of the males were good anglo-saxon Aussie married men.

The latter pregnancy killed her.

I never met any of my blood relatives.
The daughter was adopted, but due to religious factionalism, they being Lutheran, the son was left in a "unofficial orphanage" untill he left at 16.
He changed his name several times, was a drifter, fathered children here and there, but ran, finally turned to drink...today unknown.

My point ....it all depends, nothing is black or white.
I blame neither my mother for doing what she felt was necessary, nor my half brother for his behaviour, his pain and identity crisis would have been intolerable.

My secondary purpose, in the light of several topic and posts on OLO, was to show that we don't have to go back to early settlement or the indigenous stolen generation, to see our Anglo-Saxon Christian flaws.

Howard's retro attitude towards old time values was IMO myopic and insulting to many, many people who have migrated here.

This view is not a "black arm band" view of History, a more realistic one, emphasising we can't go back, forward is the only sensible option..

In essence Isay that *believing* "Aussie culture... Ossy ossy oi oi oi" is part of the problem today. Rather than a mature ability to see ourselves as we are, confident enough to be able to rise above blind belligerent rhetoric and strive to be better...for humanity's sake.