LOL Foxy,

Back in 1965 I was a "communist" according to an apparatchik of the Apartheid South African Government.* "Communist" was the pejorative description of anyone who thought Apartheid was taurine fertiliser.

Now in Australia I am a "racist" and a "denialist".

Different folks. Different epithets. Same disinclination to address the issues.

But guess what Foxy? Mostly I am someone with an allergy towards taurine fertiliser (TF). And the stolen generation is beginning to smell more and more like TF.

That being said I think it is a relatively benign form of TF. It enables those true believers who are so inclined to wallow in their imagined moral superiority. The majority of Australians don't seem to be much interested. Perhaps a few unfortunate souls will get a bit of money out of it. No great harm is done.

All in all I quite regret starting this thread. There are more serious forms of TF to tackle such as the myth that we can keep pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere without suffering any harm.

So I think I'll drop it.

*I've only discovered this recently. A former fellow student at the University of Cape Town who had been outed as a police spy told me I was one of the "communists" he was supposed to watch. My "sin" was an article in an obscure student publication that examined the likely economic consequences of denying two thirds of the population a decent education. I felt quite flattered to know at least one person had read my article.

There is of course no statute of limitations on the sorts of alleged crimes that we are discussing here. So no, the dark and heinous deeds of days gone by are only issues to be consigned to the past in populist claptrap.

Of course, with the overall thrust of some being to firmly root in the mindset of the "ordinary" Australian that everything done post WWII to the BlakFellas was "For their own good" I hope that people like Foxy will further rise to the occasion in contributing to refuting the more odious assertions in the public arena.

One song I like is Engima Deep Forest Meditation ..

For the more traditional Christians how does it go? Something about the "Armor of God."

1. The Shield of Faith
2. The Sword of Head lopping .. cough .. no hang on a minute .. that's not the right one .. The Sword of .. Truth.

;-) I can't remember the other ones

*Posted by CJ Morgan, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 9:22:28 PM*

" ... and we beneficiaries of the currently dominant culture have managed to STUFF both them and the Australian environment up spectacularly badly ... "

and to spin off CJ's most excellent contribution, I seem to recall that the last of the Tasmanian Original Australians (a granny who hid up a tree during the Dalek operations) ended up being literally stuffed and put in a museum, one in Victoria I think. Now, that shouldn't be too hard to confirm now should it?

*Posted by stevenlmeyer, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 11:09:10 PM*

" ... I am relying on the absence of law suits in the here and now. ... "

Yes but under what law do you suppose that a challenge could be made? There does need to be a law on the books which makes it illegal for these acts to have been done. Obviously, Mr Wudd's apology is half hollow without appropriate legislation to enable legal recourse to be sort, if that is the path that Australia chooses.

<< I don’t much like Andrew Bolt. He's a rabblerouser. >>

But you have so much in common... if you want to see some outright porkies from the execrable Bolt read just about any of his rants about climate change - particularly his use and interpretation of graphs.

Foxy - I don't think there's much point in trying to debate denialists of any persuasion. These days I tend to just call them for what they are and leave them to babble on. Arguing with them just provides a soapbox from which to spout their hateful and/or delusional ideas.

Having said that, nice post DreamOn :)

Ciao!

Foxy,

Climate change deniers;
Genocide deniers;
Stolen generation deniers;
Witness the latest strategy of the left.
Deniers has become the new catch-all pejorative.
It can now be used to equate any dissenting viewpoints with...
Holocaust deniers,
as Foxy has so predictably demonstrated.
And it sounds much less Biblical than heretics.
Why waste mental energy on reasoned debate,
when you can attack the man?
He denies the stolen generation which makes him the same as a holocaust denier.
This is no different than the use of terms such as:
racist,
sexist,
homophobe,
Islamophobe,
etc.
which are similarly designed to shut up the opponent rather than counter their argument.

"In reality, genocide is not a matter of numbers."

Really?
"The systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of ethnicity, religion, political opinion, social status, or other particularity"
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/genocide
Is killing one person on the basis of e,r,po,ss...genocide?
According to Foxy logic, yes.
Perhaps hate crime laws should be called genocide laws?
Frighteningly, Foxy would probably think this a good idea.
And why not, after all "genocide is not a matter of numbers".

"there is so much material in State, National, and Local
Libraries available for anyone interested in
doing serious research on the topic."

Why is it then that Windschuttle seems to be the only one doing any "serious research" on this topic?
Why can't anybody refute him with facts?
Why can't anybody demonstrate where he's got it wrong?

Because we live in a crazy, post-rational world where people can make ridiculous statements like "In reality, genocide is not a matter of numbers" and anybody who challenges the validity of their statement is a "holocaust denier".

Dear Steven,

I've been called lots of names as well.
That's what happens when you stand up
for what you believe in. So I understand
where you're coming from.

Right from the very beginning of this thread
I've said that no one has to take my opinion
as gospel - and I've consistently asked that
people do their own research on the topic.

My biggest fear in life is doing the wrong thing,
therefore I do try to put things right as best
as I can.

As far as the questions concerning our Nation's
first people is concerned - I wish you success
in your search for the truth Steven. I trust
that you will continue with your quest - despite
the unpleasant odours that you're currently
encountering (the same as I am) from certain
quarters.

Margaret Tucker in her autobiography,
"If Everyone Cared," (She, by the way was at the
age of thirteen snatched from school by the police,
taken from her part Aboriginal parents to be trained
as a domestic servant) she talks about being sent
to the Cootamundra Domestic Training Home for
Aboriginal Girls. The horror of the training, the
cruelty of her first employer in Sydney, the
loneliness, homesickness and heartache she felt
are related without sentimentality, malice of
self pity

Dear Mr Herman Yutic,

For your information members of my parent's
family were tortured to death by the Red Army,
others perished in Stalin's Gulags along with
millions of fellow countryemen. Therefore -
I'm very familiar with the meaning of genocide.

As for politics ... I am neither right nor left -
but like a lot of people somewhere in the
middle, depending of course on the issues and
government policies.

I can't be held responsible for your lack of comprehension
skills except to suggest that you re-read my post on
what I actually did say about Holocaust deniers.
You may with a bit of effort -
get the point that I was making, rather
than the misinterpretation that you seemed to delight
in assigning.