RaeBee,
"I have no idea why European politicians and the UN want an ETS"
Money and power.
What do people want when they already have money and power?
More money but particularly more power.
The power to redistribute wealth is an aphrodisiac to the crypto-communist.
It enables them to simultaneously absolve themselves of the guilt they feel for hoarding so much for themselves while imagining that they are creating a utopia where everyone is the same.
Except for them of course.
Some-one must carry the cross of leadership.
Their's is the heavy burden of responsibility and why shouldn't they be well compensated?
Imagine being the architects of global economic governance.
Hitler and Stalin only dreamed of this but now it is tantalisingly within grasp.
Taking from the rich and giving to the poor on a global scale while simultaneously saving the planet for future generations to come.
Imagine being remembered throughout history as saviour of the planet and architect of the perfect social system!
What we are actually witnessing is corruption facilitated by mass psychosis.
Think about it.
Will you see all the Copenhagen delegates riding around on bicycles in a country perfectly suited to bikes?
No. You'll see the biggest fleet of gas-guzzling limousines in Danish history, engines running all day to keep the drivers warm while waiting for the would-be rulers of the world.
You'll see the biggest display of private jets ever assembled at Copenhagen Airport.
You'll see caviar flown in from Russia, the best cognac from France and probably Danish Blue cheese specially imported from Tasmania.
There will be no expense spared and only the best provided.
I almost forgot.
You'll see a bunch of hypocrites specially flown in by private jets from all the corners of the globe, all lobbying for the best deal for their own countries while simultaneously seeking to optimise the performance of their stock portfolios.
Ethical and green investments only of course.

You are right Herman.Just google New World Order and smell the reality of a totalitarian World Govt run by the corporate elites.They are using the UN as a conduit for their power play.

The Carbon taxes and derivatives will finance their Govt.Tax carbon and oxyen the elements of life.

Yes Herman, you have said it more forcefully than I. Anything the World Bank and the UN contrive has to be more than a little suspect. So whoever hacked the emails or deliberately leaked them as now suspected might just be a good guy.

These superior beings as they think they are traipse all over the world leading the good life, leaving their carbon foot print all over the place and signing us, the people, in for another tax, indeed, signed to a treaty we have not agreed upon and will pay for years to come. How I hate using that term "carbon footprint", I feel like kicking someone.

The people running the Copenghagen thingy and politicians like Rudd et al have no idea what the ordinary people in developed counties will suffer because they, as you point out, do not know what it is like to struggle, they live in another world and we are not like them either in lifestyle or outlook.

I would also like to point out that most people my age worked hard for our way of life and I for one am not prepared to give it up for any reason whatsoever if I can help it. Why the hell should I?

We have absolutely no control over this bloody nonsense apart from our meagre vote, called a democratic right, so I know where my vote is going and it is not to Kevin Rudd.

To the greenies who believe all this, up yours, hope you are around in another 40 years paying all those taxes and seeing your society and lifestyle diminish. Enjoy you wanted it. There is the saying; don't wish to hard, it may just come true.

Bazz

I'm interested (always have been) in what you say.

I do have a problem though, re your post Monday, 7 December 2009 1:14:38 PM.

My computer system is set up like the proverbial Fort Knox, for obvious reasons - and please, jokes about servers at a particular university won't go down to well, at this point in time :-)

Anyway, when I try to access the link you provide, all my *bodyguards* say this:

"The site you have requested is known to distribute spyware - 'xyz' cannot guarantee the integrity of your system if you continue."

Then the bugger gives me a choice of continuing - yeah, right!

Now, the site you linked to may be a genuine one that itself has been "hacked", I wouldn't have a clue. My point is, there are more things out there than you or I will ever know (as this latest episode demonstrates) and I am becoming increasingly paranoid about even sending harmless emails to my colleagues. I know this sounds dumb, but there you are.

So, if you (or anyone else) have another link that directs to the same source, can you post it please. As I have said, the things you say (well, mostly) are interesting. Thanks.

So we may now pay for the air we breath out (no pun intended). I note Penny Wong did not get a glowing reception in Copenhagen; she must be part of the "umberella group" that have already discussed what will happen. There must have been a few well chosen words directed at her because she stated that the language was not "helpful" to the solution of climate change! Haha.. Too cool, love it. I wonder why this is not being presented in the news? No very good spin? I eonder how K.Rudd will be received? Hmmmm. Interesting times.

Q&A
It is a web site called American thinker whatever that means.
Not sure they think too much, hi !

The original url is;

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/understanding_climategates_hid.html

It wraps as you see so you might have to put it together.
It seems like a genuine web site.
I often get warnings about websites but usually the filters are too tight.
The writer is Marc Sheppard and is a systems analyst and programmer.
I notice that the UK Meteorology has put up raw data for all to see.
That must be a first. I downloaded it and put it into Xcel so
will have a play with that just for the hell of it.

Anyway as I said the cuffle will probably amount to nothing as
Kjell Aklett says;

http://www.energybulletin.net/50905

He is neither a denier or skeptic. What he says agrees with other
writing that I have seen, but his Upsalla Global Energy Group has
a good reputation.